4 ms·

I thought these countries still tried to operate legally instead of targeting their opposition leaders etc.

pm90 5y ago
> India, Mexico and Hungary Both India and Hungary are currently governed by anti-democratic right wing administrations (Modi and Orban). Not that surprising to see the State try to abuse power.
- arv_ind1 5y ago
  Why do you think India has an undemocratic govt? Just because Modi is RW?
  - webdevlion 5y ago
    Ironic that you mention this, since the fact that the Modi government’s name is on the list attests to their anti-privacy way of ruling.
    - actuator 5y ago
      I am sure the big names missing from the list are also doing it. Five eyes, Russia, China probably have much better capabilities than the ones on the list. The list for India is weird though. It has a lot of names which are in the pro current establishment camp and some of their own leaders as well. Could it be some other state snooping on them or has it found usage by non state actors as well?
      - rootkea 5y ago
        > It has a lot of names which are in the pro current establishment camp. Ah, that's incorrect. The first article released yesterday released names of 40 Indian journalists. I see a few pro Modi names there. https://thewire.in/media/pegasus-project-spyware-indian-journalists https://thewire.in/media/pegasus-project-spyware-indian-jour... As far what's to come: "The numbers of those in the database include over 40 journalists, three major opposition figures, one constitutional authority, two serving ministers in the Narendra Modi government, current and former heads and officials of security organisations and scores of businesspersons."[1] These will be released in further articles of the series "Project Pegasus" [1] https://thewire.in/government/project-pegasus-journalists-ministers-activists-phones-spying https://thewire.in/government/project-pegasus-journalists-mi...
      - pm90 5y ago
        > The list for India is weird though. It has a lot of names which are in the pro current establishment camp and some of their own leaders as well. It’s not that weird when you look at it. Most news agencies are privately owned. These journalists aren’t born stooges of the Government. Many of them were forced to become pro-Government when the Government threatened to pull advertising by Public corporations on their networks. That’s one lever. Having dirt on the journalists? Another lever.
  - jazzyjackson 5y ago
    Probably related to the disenfranchisement of minorities
- A4ET8a8uTh0 5y ago
  Um.. just because they happen to be right-wing ( from US perspective - I don't want to derail this conversation ), does not mean they are not democratic and hostile towards democracy. In fact, I would argue, that they have a mandate from its people ( hence they are democratic ) and their program is very open about the changes they propose ( which may unpopular in EU salons, but not for an ordinary citizen ).
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
dogma1138 5y ago
Are we’re supposed to act like it’s a new thing? It’s rather similar to the client list of Hacking Team https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacking_Team https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacking_Team This market has been developing for the past 2 decades there are a lot more players than NSO and most of them aren’t in Israel.
boomboomsubban 5y ago
A reminder, a 20th century US president was found to be openly spying on the opposition, and only faced repercussions for the cover-up. Though I can't prove it, I assume every major political group is doing some amount of surveillance on the opposition.

pm90 5y ago

> India, Mexico and Hungary Both India and Hungary are currently governed by anti-democratic right wing administrations (Modi and Orban). Not that surprising to see the State try to abuse power.

arv_ind1 5y ago
Why do you think India has an undemocratic govt? Just because Modi is RW?
- webdevlion 5y ago
  Ironic that you mention this, since the fact that the Modi government’s name is on the list attests to their anti-privacy way of ruling.
  - actuator 5y ago
    I am sure the big names missing from the list are also doing it. Five eyes, Russia, China probably have much better capabilities than the ones on the list. The list for India is weird though. It has a lot of names which are in the pro current establishment camp and some of their own leaders as well. Could it be some other state snooping on them or has it found usage by non state actors as well?
    - rootkea 5y ago
      > It has a lot of names which are in the pro current establishment camp. Ah, that's incorrect. The first article released yesterday released names of 40 Indian journalists. I see a few pro Modi names there. https://thewire.in/media/pegasus-project-spyware-indian-journalists https://thewire.in/media/pegasus-project-spyware-indian-jour... As far what's to come: "The numbers of those in the database include over 40 journalists, three major opposition figures, one constitutional authority, two serving ministers in the Narendra Modi government, current and former heads and officials of security organisations and scores of businesspersons."[1] These will be released in further articles of the series "Project Pegasus" [1] https://thewire.in/government/project-pegasus-journalists-ministers-activists-phones-spying https://thewire.in/government/project-pegasus-journalists-mi...
    - pm90 5y ago
      > The list for India is weird though. It has a lot of names which are in the pro current establishment camp and some of their own leaders as well. It’s not that weird when you look at it. Most news agencies are privately owned. These journalists aren’t born stooges of the Government. Many of them were forced to become pro-Government when the Government threatened to pull advertising by Public corporations on their networks. That’s one lever. Having dirt on the journalists? Another lever.
- jazzyjackson 5y ago
  Probably related to the disenfranchisement of minorities
A4ET8a8uTh0 5y ago
Um.. just because they happen to be right-wing ( from US perspective - I don't want to derail this conversation ), does not mean they are not democratic and hostile towards democracy. In fact, I would argue, that they have a mandate from its people ( hence they are democratic ) and their program is very open about the changes they propose ( which may unpopular in EU salons, but not for an ordinary citizen ).
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]

dogma1138 5y ago

Are we’re supposed to act like it’s a new thing? It’s rather similar to the client list of Hacking Team https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacking_Team https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacking_Team This market has been developing for the past 2 decades there are a lot more players than NSO and most of them aren’t in Israel.

boomboomsubban 5y ago

A reminder, a 20th century US president was found to be openly spying on the opposition, and only faced repercussions for the cover-up. Though I can't prove it, I assume every major political group is doing some amount of surveillance on the opposition.