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In UK and Israel more than 50% of deaths are vaccinated. Also it is said 90% already has antibodies from infection or vaccine. So wouldn't that mean heard immun

In UK and Israel more than 50% of deaths are vaccinated. Also it is said 90% already has antibodies from infection or vaccine. So wouldn't that mean heard immunity?

srtjstjsj 5y ago
No, because young adults have low vaccination rate, so they are still circulating Covid but dying at low rates. Meanwhile, old adults are almost all vaccinated, but have a much higher CFR. https://www.deccanherald.com/amp/international/world-news-politics/most-covid-deaths-in-uk-are-among-fully-vaccinated-should-it-worry-you-1009214.html https://www.deccanherald.com/amp/international/world-news-po...
- guilhas 5y ago
  Thats not a "No", it is a "Yes", you're just trying to explain it Although you might point at several things, including more than 50% of population being vaccinated It still shows that the vaccine might not be that effective. In the UK there is also the strange 12 weeks interval between doses, instead of 4 recommended by manufacturer, and used in other countries
  - srtjstjsj 5y ago
    How is it "herd immunity" If the virus is still spreading (and killing)?
mrtesthah 5y ago
>In UK and Israel more than 50% of deaths are vaccinated. Nope, that's false. This was misreported by the WSJ and they have issued a correction: https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1408861501306376199 https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/14088615013063761... >An important correction on the Israel story. Half of “adults” infected in Israel were fully vaxxed, not half of all cases. About half of the total infections were kids. Means about 25% of infections were in fully vaxxed, and most if not all were reportedly asymptomatic infections Even if it were true, with a high enough percentage of vaccinated citizens, the base-rate fallacy will ultimately make statements like yours misleading: https://twitter.com/jeffely/status/1408500890999328770?s=21 https://twitter.com/jeffely/status/1408500890999328770?s=21
- guilhas 5y ago
  In the UK then. You can clearly see that in gov docs, in data tables and described, referenced in the article. https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/most-covid-deaths-england-now-are-vaccinated-189887 https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/most-covid-deaths-e...
  - throwuxiytayq 5y ago
    I am curious, have you at all bothered to even skim the article you linked?
    - guilhas 5y ago
      Do you have a point? The article is a random, that points to the original gov data

In UK and Israel more than 50% of deaths are vaccinated. Also it is said 90% already has antibodies from infection or vaccine. So wouldn't that mean heard immunity?

srtjstjsj 5y ago

No, because young adults have low vaccination rate, so they are still circulating Covid but dying at low rates. Meanwhile, old adults are almost all vaccinated, but have a much higher CFR. https://www.deccanherald.com/amp/international/world-news-politics/most-covid-deaths-in-uk-are-among-fully-vaccinated-should-it-worry-you-1009214.html https://www.deccanherald.com/amp/international/world-news-po...

guilhas 5y ago
Thats not a "No", it is a "Yes", you're just trying to explain it Although you might point at several things, including more than 50% of population being vaccinated It still shows that the vaccine might not be that effective. In the UK there is also the strange 12 weeks interval between doses, instead of 4 recommended by manufacturer, and used in other countries
- srtjstjsj 5y ago
  How is it "herd immunity" If the virus is still spreading (and killing)?

mrtesthah 5y ago

>In UK and Israel more than 50% of deaths are vaccinated. Nope, that's false. This was misreported by the WSJ and they have issued a correction: https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1408861501306376199 https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/14088615013063761... >An important correction on the Israel story. Half of “adults” infected in Israel were fully vaxxed, not half of all cases. About half of the total infections were kids. Means about 25% of infections were in fully vaxxed, and most if not all were reportedly asymptomatic infections Even if it were true, with a high enough percentage of vaccinated citizens, the base-rate fallacy will ultimately make statements like yours misleading: https://twitter.com/jeffely/status/1408500890999328770?s=21 https://twitter.com/jeffely/status/1408500890999328770?s=21

guilhas 5y ago
In the UK then. You can clearly see that in gov docs, in data tables and described, referenced in the article. https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/most-covid-deaths-england-now-are-vaccinated-189887 https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/most-covid-deaths-e...
- throwuxiytayq 5y ago
  I am curious, have you at all bothered to even skim the article you linked?
  - guilhas 5y ago
    Do you have a point? The article is a random, that points to the original gov data