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What this heartbreaking article leaves out is that none of these unvaccinated patients or their relatives have to personally pay any of the medical costs for th
by humanistbot 5y ago
What this heartbreaking article leaves out is that none of these unvaccinated patients or their relatives have to personally pay any of the medical costs for their advanced treatment. (Edit: FYI, the CARES act reimburses providers for any COVID-related costs if you're uninsured: https://www.hrsa.gov/coviduninsuredclaim https://www.hrsa.gov/coviduninsuredclaim) At this point, being unvaccinated without an approved medical reason (e.g. immunocompromised) should be treated as a pre-existing condition. If you decline the vaccine, you should have to pay the full cost of the medical treatment.
- yeuxardents 5y agoFine, then let people choose to be treated early on with Ivermectin or HCQ. Lets see what the results bear out. Considering 'right to try' essentially amounts to 'you are dying, so you can try and experimental drug and see if it works' and the vax is presently experimental and emergency use only, why not permit the other two?
- verdverm 5y agoIf Ivermectin is allowed as a treatment, then an existing option existed and the vaccines would not have been allowed under the FDA emergency authorization
- yeuxardents 5y agoBingo. This is also correct.
- neither_color 5y agoAt this point, being unvaccinated without an approved medical reason (e.g. immunocompromised) should be treated as a pre-existing condition What are you talking about? Under current law, health insurance companies can’t refuse to cover you or charge you more just because you have a “pre-existing condition” — that is, a health problem you had before the date that new health coverage starts.These rules went into effect for plan years beginning on or after January 1, 2014. https://www.hhs.gov/healthcare/about-the-aca/pre-existing-conditions/index.html https://www.hhs.gov/healthcare/about-the-aca/pre-existing-co... Please don’t be one of those “if you don’t listen to me I hope you die” types; you can catch more flies with honey.
- hoppyhoppy2 5y agoThe ACA does allow health insurers to charge up to 50% more for smokers' health insurance premiums (though some individual states have banned it)
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- toomuchtodo 5y agoIf you are willfully ignorant and cause yourself and others harm, you should be exposed to the full financial cost of your ignorance. Vaccines are free and widely available; there are no more carrots left to offer the ignorant.
- neither_color 5y agoI don’t wish any harm on anyone though. If you assume I’m unvaccinated because I called someone out on their outdated misunderstanding of how pre-existing conditions work it says more about you than me.
- Proven 5y ago> If you are willfully ignorant and cause yourself and others harm, you should be exposed to the full financial cost of your ignorance. Wait, now you're against Obamacare as well?
- yeuxardents 5y agoHow about no understanding of potential long term side effects whatsoever? Fancy some liver cancer in four years? What part about 'not been fully studied' and 'experimental' do people such as yourself not understand?
- ds206 5y agoWait a second, you think everyone that hasn't been vaccinated is "willfully ignorant"? Bruh, c'mon, anyone can look at the numbers and come to their own conclusions (until complete censorship takes that option away). I mean, have you not had coworkers disagree with you about how to implement or do something? If the choice is made to use their idea instead of yours, are you secretly hoping for the project to fail?
- yongjik 5y agoI also feel your frustration, but if one isn't convinced by "You may get this virus and die," then I don't think they'll be convinced by "You may get this virus, die, and your family will be in crippling debt."
- humanistbot 5y agoI'm done with persuasion. I just want them to pay for the consequences of their decisions.
- Irate 5y agoWhat if none of these experimental gene therapies work? Also what about life insurance policies excluding any cover for death, disability or loss of income caused by experimental therapies?
- zajio1am 5y ago> If you decline the vaccine, you should have to pay the full cost of the medical treatment. Would you accept the same approach also for other cases where people could prevent (or decrease risk by orders of magnitude) by their own choices, like "who gets HIV from high-risk unprotected sex, should pay the full cost of treatment"?
- humanistbot 5y agoIf there was a free and universally available HIV vaccine at every corner drugstore, then yes.
- kaczordon 5y agoThey do have condoms at every corner drugstore.
- Dma54rhs 5y agoObese people next please!