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One aspect of Ecotopia that has alway stuck with me is their utopia was contingent on threats of violence. Let us live in peace, or we'll nuke you. https://en.
by specialist 5y ago
One aspect of Ecotopia that has alway stuck with me is their utopia was contingent on threats of violence. Let us live in peace, or we'll nuke you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecotopia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecotopia
Much like all utopias: built on top of someone else's dystopia.
- sterlind 5y agodoesn't sound like Ecotopia needed its neighboring dystopia though. they weren't exploiting or even trading with the mainland. they just wanted to be left alone. the crucial difference is that the Ecotopians wouldn't hinder the US improving its own quality of life if it wanted to.
- specialist 5y agoFrom our perspective, absolutely. I'm trying to understand, acknowledge, make room for the losing side. Learning about utopia/dystopia is on my to do list. I have no idea what the criteria are. Exploitation? Disempowerment? Are those feelings sufficient, regardless of the material factors? I wonder because this is very relevant today. Fear and anxiety fueling resentment and backlash. -- Older me thinks progress only happens thru struggle. "Power concedes nothing without a demand." -- Frederick Douglas. I think about this all the time. The efforts to build a sustainable future, the solarpunk protagonists, must overcome almost insurmountable opposition. It's more than just raw power, winners and losers. Live and let live is simply not an option. The very notion of happy hippies being happy without them is absolutely intolerable to the US.