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Please fill us in on what war Obama started? Trump didn't do much for peace in the middle east when he moved the Israeli embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

redis_mlc 5y ago
Obama failed to defend the Philippines' Scarborough Shoals per our treaty, resulting in an arms race in that region after CCP's 9-dashed line grab. The CCP politician in charge of the SS operation at that time was ... Xi Jinping. There are far-reaching impacts from Obama's negligence, possibly leading to WW3. If anybody has anything good to say about Obama, or anything that he accomplished, I'd like to hear it. So far what I've heard is that he perfected racial division in politics, and was the most paranoid and aggressive President about press leaks in history, despite promoting transparency before the election.
azth 5y ago
He got involved in Syria.
- markoman 5y ago
  And Trump didn't get involved in Syria? The 59 Tomahawk cruise missiles launched on 04/07/2017 don't constitute involvement to you?
  - noaccnt 5y ago
    1. He inherited that conflict 2. He called the Russians to make sure the missiles didn't do anything 3. Do you remember the context of those missiles? A possibly fake flag chemical attack (tactically the official story makes zero sense) used to goad him into intervening.
noaccnt 5y ago
Wars Obama gets to own (100%) (that is wars that would not have occurred without the Obama's administration encouragement, logistical support, and military intervention): Lybia - (the US went in, as HRC infamously crudely paraphrased Ceser) Yemen - massive logistical support (stat and intel) and sale of weapons. Probably foreign mercenaries (unconfirmed) Syria - weapons and US boots on the ground (there still there). Probably funded and aided groups that became ISIS (relax, I don't think he did it on purpose. It was the same DC hubris that made Taliban out of Mujahadeen). You can also add Honduras into the list of Obama's "Hope" and "Change" hypocrisy. You can't pin any of that on Trump, since these are conflicts he inherited. As to Trump's 55 tomahawk missiles, taken out of context, is that the worse of it? Then Trump is the most benign (!!) president since at least Carter [1]. When you consider context, specifically that Trump called the Russians to make sure that the 55 pencils didn't start anything (they were launched to placate calls on CNN), then Trump comes out more favorably still. As to Jerusalem, that was stupid and an unforced error. However, the ME didn't blow up as expected (unless you consider Lebanon self-destructing a consequence of that?). Also, he was executing the decades old bipartisan desire of Congress that previous presidents had, un-democratically, ignored. Stupid decision, for sure, but Congress gets most of the blame there. Finally, you can't ignore that every time Trump tried to pull out of the ME, the military stymied him. They even directly disobeyed orders and they are on record as saying that they would misinform the president to keep the troops in. [1] Carter, like Trump, didn't start a major war. However, his Iran intervention was much worse than anything Trump did (troops on the ground). Therefore, Trump might have been the most benign president for foreign countries since WW2 (when you consider colonialism, possibly far before that).

redis_mlc 5y ago

Obama failed to defend the Philippines' Scarborough Shoals per our treaty, resulting in an arms race in that region after CCP's 9-dashed line grab. The CCP politician in charge of the SS operation at that time was ... Xi Jinping. There are far-reaching impacts from Obama's negligence, possibly leading to WW3. If anybody has anything good to say about Obama, or anything that he accomplished, I'd like to hear it. So far what I've heard is that he perfected racial division in politics, and was the most paranoid and aggressive President about press leaks in history, despite promoting transparency before the election.

azth 5y ago

He got involved in Syria.

markoman 5y ago
And Trump didn't get involved in Syria? The 59 Tomahawk cruise missiles launched on 04/07/2017 don't constitute involvement to you?
- noaccnt 5y ago
  1. He inherited that conflict 2. He called the Russians to make sure the missiles didn't do anything 3. Do you remember the context of those missiles? A possibly fake flag chemical attack (tactically the official story makes zero sense) used to goad him into intervening.

noaccnt 5y ago

Wars Obama gets to own (100%) (that is wars that would not have occurred without the Obama's administration encouragement, logistical support, and military intervention): Lybia - (the US went in, as HRC infamously crudely paraphrased Ceser) Yemen - massive logistical support (stat and intel) and sale of weapons. Probably foreign mercenaries (unconfirmed) Syria - weapons and US boots on the ground (there still there). Probably funded and aided groups that became ISIS (relax, I don't think he did it on purpose. It was the same DC hubris that made Taliban out of Mujahadeen). You can also add Honduras into the list of Obama's "Hope" and "Change" hypocrisy. You can't pin any of that on Trump, since these are conflicts he inherited. As to Trump's 55 tomahawk missiles, taken out of context, is that the worse of it? Then Trump is the most benign (!!) president since at least Carter [1]. When you consider context, specifically that Trump called the Russians to make sure that the 55 pencils didn't start anything (they were launched to placate calls on CNN), then Trump comes out more favorably still. As to Jerusalem, that was stupid and an unforced error. However, the ME didn't blow up as expected (unless you consider Lebanon self-destructing a consequence of that?). Also, he was executing the decades old bipartisan desire of Congress that previous presidents had, un-democratically, ignored. Stupid decision, for sure, but Congress gets most of the blame there. Finally, you can't ignore that every time Trump tried to pull out of the ME, the military stymied him. They even directly disobeyed orders and they are on record as saying that they would misinform the president to keep the troops in. [1] Carter, like Trump, didn't start a major war. However, his Iran intervention was much worse than anything Trump did (troops on the ground). Therefore, Trump might have been the most benign president for foreign countries since WW2 (when you consider colonialism, possibly far before that).