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That's not really the issue here. Tesla has advertised that all the cars they sell have the hardware required for FSD. Now that they are offering a subscription

That's not really the issue here. Tesla has advertised that all the cars they sell have the hardware required for FSD. Now that they are offering a subscription to FSD, they are telling drivers on older hardware to pay $1500 to upgrade to get the hardware to support FSD, even though they told those drivers earlier that their existing hardware would be enough.

whoknowswhat11 5y ago
All drivers who actually purchased FSD at the time are getting upgrade free if needed. Tesla never promised a rent option. And for that there is a one time fee for some cars
- clouddrover 5y ago
  What Tesla promised in 2016 was that "as of today, all Tesla vehicles produced in our factory – including Model 3 – will have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver": https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now-have-full-self-driving-hardware https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now... That wasn't true, was it.
  - paulcole 5y ago
    It’s honestly hard to believe that anyone thought it was true at the time. Until full self-driving capability is achieved how could anyone possibly know what hardware is required for it?
  - matz1 5y ago
    Its called marketing, companies exaggerate claim all the time. As consumer, one should not believe in company marketing claim/promise or they'll be in trouble.
    - ddalex 5y ago
      > companies exaggerate claim That's called false advertising. > one should not believe in company marketing claim/promise Or, better said, the companies leading with false claims will be in trouble as they lose the trust of consumers and may be subjected to lawsuits.
      - matz1 5y ago
        If that true then just sue them, anybody can sue anyone for any reason.
- GhostVII 5y ago
  I don't see how that is relevant though. Tesla promised every car would have the required hardware for FSD, regardless of whether you paid for FSD upfront or not. The fact that you have to upgrade in order to subscribe to FSD shows that they were wrong about that. They should honor their commitment by upgrading everyone to hardware that is capable of FSD, since that's what they were promised at purchase time.
throwaway98797 5y ago
at the time that was true. situation changed, ie., they came up with better solutions. could they theoretically make the old hardware work? maybe not, but at one point they believed it. that’s the way of the world.
- fabiospampinato 5y ago
  > at the time that was true. The problem remained the same, either that was true yesterday and it still true today, or it wasn't true yesterday and it will never be true.
- ddalex 5y ago
  > that’s the way of the world. Keep your promises until it's inconvenient to do so ? If they can't use the older hardware with their new software, they should upgrade the hardware for free since they promised the capability is there
  - throwaway98797 5y ago
    i justed to be bothered by every institution breaking their promises but then i realized i was naive. the world is in constant flux. promises are more aspirational than true. greatest lie of all is “i love you forever”

whoknowswhat11 5y ago

All drivers who actually purchased FSD at the time are getting upgrade free if needed. Tesla never promised a rent option. And for that there is a one time fee for some cars

clouddrover 5y ago
What Tesla promised in 2016 was that "as of today, all Tesla vehicles produced in our factory – including Model 3 – will have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver": https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now-have-full-self-driving-hardware https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now... That wasn't true, was it.
- paulcole 5y ago
  It’s honestly hard to believe that anyone thought it was true at the time. Until full self-driving capability is achieved how could anyone possibly know what hardware is required for it?
- matz1 5y ago
  Its called marketing, companies exaggerate claim all the time. As consumer, one should not believe in company marketing claim/promise or they'll be in trouble.
  - ddalex 5y ago
    > companies exaggerate claim That's called false advertising. > one should not believe in company marketing claim/promise Or, better said, the companies leading with false claims will be in trouble as they lose the trust of consumers and may be subjected to lawsuits.
    - matz1 5y ago
      If that true then just sue them, anybody can sue anyone for any reason.
GhostVII 5y ago
I don't see how that is relevant though. Tesla promised every car would have the required hardware for FSD, regardless of whether you paid for FSD upfront or not. The fact that you have to upgrade in order to subscribe to FSD shows that they were wrong about that. They should honor their commitment by upgrading everyone to hardware that is capable of FSD, since that's what they were promised at purchase time.

throwaway98797 5y ago

at the time that was true. situation changed, ie., they came up with better solutions. could they theoretically make the old hardware work? maybe not, but at one point they believed it. that’s the way of the world.

fabiospampinato 5y ago
> at the time that was true. The problem remained the same, either that was true yesterday and it still true today, or it wasn't true yesterday and it will never be true.
ddalex 5y ago
> that’s the way of the world. Keep your promises until it's inconvenient to do so ? If they can't use the older hardware with their new software, they should upgrade the hardware for free since they promised the capability is there
- throwaway98797 5y ago
  i justed to be bothered by every institution breaking their promises but then i realized i was naive. the world is in constant flux. promises are more aspirational than true. greatest lie of all is “i love you forever”