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Tesla Places Big Bet on Vision-Only Self-Driving

2 points by samizdis 5y ago

clouddrover 5y ago
All that will happen is that Tesla will put lidar on the car eventually. Lucid, Toyota, and Geely are putting lidar on their future models now: - https://www.lucidmotors.com/stories/lucid-dreamdrive-most-comprehensive-adas-suite https://www.lucidmotors.com/stories/lucid-dreamdrive-most-co... - https://www.motor1.com/news/499716/lexus-toyota-advanced-drive-system/ https://www.motor1.com/news/499716/lexus-toyota-advanced-dri... - https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/24/22547453/volvo-lidar-standard-autonomous-luminar-xc90-2022 https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/24/22547453/volvo-lidar-stan... I feel the most sorry for the people who have paid Tesla $10,000 for something that still doesn't work as advertised. At what point will they start demanding their money back?
- avereveard 5y ago
  The moment they add lidar and breach the only messaging that can be pinned on them "all the car sold have now full self driving hardware" They don't have any other hard claim to bring into a class action but this Which is probably why they will prefer to remain in beta forever than changing the hardware
  - clouddrover 5y ago
    It's already the case that Tesla has gone back on its hardware claims. In 2016 they said all cars being produced have the hardware to enable "full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver": https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now-have-full-self-driving-hardware https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now... But now they say the hardware needs to be upgraded and if you want to use the subscription plan you'll have to pay for the hardware upgrade too: https://electrek.co/2021/07/18/tesla-is-charging-owners-1500-for-hardware-they-already-paid-for/ https://electrek.co/2021/07/18/tesla-is-charging-owners-1500... It's a step beyond them getting their original estimate wrong. The explanation is more simple: they lied.

2 points by samizdis 5y ago

All that will happen is that Tesla will put lidar on the car eventually. Lucid, Toyota, and Geely are putting lidar on their future models now: - https://www.lucidmotors.com/stories/lucid-dreamdrive-most-comprehensive-adas-suite https://www.lucidmotors.com/stories/lucid-dreamdrive-most-co... - https://www.motor1.com/news/499716/lexus-toyota-advanced-drive-system/ https://www.motor1.com/news/499716/lexus-toyota-advanced-dri... - https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/24/22547453/volvo-lidar-standard-autonomous-luminar-xc90-2022 https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/24/22547453/volvo-lidar-stan... I feel the most sorry for the people who have paid Tesla $10,000 for something that still doesn't work as advertised. At what point will they start demanding their money back?

avereveard 5y ago
The moment they add lidar and breach the only messaging that can be pinned on them "all the car sold have now full self driving hardware" They don't have any other hard claim to bring into a class action but this Which is probably why they will prefer to remain in beta forever than changing the hardware
- clouddrover 5y ago
  It's already the case that Tesla has gone back on its hardware claims. In 2016 they said all cars being produced have the hardware to enable "full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver": https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now-have-full-self-driving-hardware https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now... But now they say the hardware needs to be upgraded and if you want to use the subscription plan you'll have to pay for the hardware upgrade too: https://electrek.co/2021/07/18/tesla-is-charging-owners-1500-for-hardware-they-already-paid-for/ https://electrek.co/2021/07/18/tesla-is-charging-owners-1500... It's a step beyond them getting their original estimate wrong. The explanation is more simple: they lied.