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Genuine question from someone who's a big fan of Teslas. Almost all the EV benefits seem to come from the power source. But I don't see much on addressing the a
by busymom0 5y ago
Genuine question from someone who's a big fan of Teslas. Almost all the EV benefits seem to come from the power source. But I don't see much on addressing the actual battery manufacturing process. The cobalt being used in the batteries seems to be coming from unethical sources using child and slave labour practices in Congo:
> Cobalt has also been called the “blood diamond of batteries.” More than 70 percent of the world’s cobalt is produced in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC), and 15 to 30 percent of the Congolese cobalt is produced by artisanal and small-scale mining (ASM). For years, human rights groups have documented severe human rights issues in mining operations. These human rights risks are particularly high in artisanal mines in the DRC, a country weakened by violent ethnic conflict, Ebola, and high levels of corruption. Child labor, fatal accidents, and violent clashes between artisanal miners and security personnel of large mining firms are recurrent.
> According to recent projections by the World Economic Forum’s Global Battery Alliance, the demand for cobalt for use in batteries will grow fourfold in 2030 as a result of this electric vehicle boom.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/business/batteries/congo-cobalt-mining-for-lithium-ion-battery/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/business/batteries/c...
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jan/05/cutting-cobalt-challenge-battery-industry-electric-cars-congo https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jan/05/cutting-...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelposner/2020/10/07/how-tesla-should-combat-child-labor-in-the-democratic-republic-of-the-congo/?sh=67bf93be5cd0 https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelposner/2020/10/07/how-te...
https://www.cfr.org/blog/why-cobalt-mining-drc-needs-urgent-attention https://www.cfr.org/blog/why-cobalt-mining-drc-needs-urgent-...
So my questions are:
1. Are we sure this is the right move since at least when it comes to oil, we can mostly ensure the people working in oil fields are adults who are paid very well - especially as we become independent of foreign oil. For cobalt, we can't do that so far?
2. Has anyone done a full analysis of the side effects of cobalt, lithium and other extractions on environment from start (mining) all the way to finish (when an EV breaks down / junkyard etc?)
- vardump 5y agoWhile current non-LFP Tesla batteries still have cobalt, I don't think any of Tesla's newer battery designs contain it. Seems like they're completely phasing out use of it. Tesla is also developing environmentally friendly ways to extract lithium, see a recent discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27853978 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27853978 The results remain to be seen, I hope they're going to be successful reducing their environmental impact.