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No. It's the police department computer. They should be liable for the harm caused by it. Maybe the police can recover damages from the software vendor, but

No. It's the police department computer. They should be liable for the harm caused by it. Maybe the police can recover damages from the software vendor, but that should be separate.

MrStonedOne 5y ago
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zepto 5y ago
> but that should be separate. Why?
- MrStonedOne 5y ago
  Because the citizen has no visibility nor control into the decisions related to what software vendor to use, what processes are for dealing with errors and issues, what terms are negotiated for licensed source access (to the police) vs managed closed source where all changes, issues, and fixes have to go thru long form scoping processes with the vendor delaying fixes, or what policies are for using and trusting these results, what polices there are for reporting and acting on inaccuracies, as well as informing the entire department/state about the inaccuracies. The police department does, so they should be liable for those decisions. Like, the moment there was a case of somebody being incorrectly listed as having a suspended license, the entire department should have been informed to not trust the results until the underlying issue was found and fixed.
  - zepto 5y ago
    > The police department does, so they should be liable for those decisions. Does it? Perhaps if they are using a bespoke solution, but they could just as easily be using a standard system procured at the county or state level. > the entire department should have been informed to not trust the results until the underlying issue was found and fixed. This doesn’t seem like a real world solution. Without knowing the frequency and nature of the problem this could be a massive overreaction.
    - MrStonedOne 5y ago
      having you vehicle taken away can easily lead to joblessness and homelessness. its not a massive overreaction.
      - zepto 5y ago
        Not taking a vehicle from someone who should be banned from driving can lead to people being killed.

No. It's the police department computer. They should be liable for the harm caused by it. Maybe the police can recover damages from the software vendor, but that should be separate.

MrStonedOne 5y ago

zepto 5y ago

> but that should be separate. Why?

MrStonedOne 5y ago
Because the citizen has no visibility nor control into the decisions related to what software vendor to use, what processes are for dealing with errors and issues, what terms are negotiated for licensed source access (to the police) vs managed closed source where all changes, issues, and fixes have to go thru long form scoping processes with the vendor delaying fixes, or what policies are for using and trusting these results, what polices there are for reporting and acting on inaccuracies, as well as informing the entire department/state about the inaccuracies. The police department does, so they should be liable for those decisions. Like, the moment there was a case of somebody being incorrectly listed as having a suspended license, the entire department should have been informed to not trust the results until the underlying issue was found and fixed.
- zepto 5y ago
  > The police department does, so they should be liable for those decisions. Does it? Perhaps if they are using a bespoke solution, but they could just as easily be using a standard system procured at the county or state level. > the entire department should have been informed to not trust the results until the underlying issue was found and fixed. This doesn’t seem like a real world solution. Without knowing the frequency and nature of the problem this could be a massive overreaction.
  - MrStonedOne 5y ago
    having you vehicle taken away can easily lead to joblessness and homelessness. its not a massive overreaction.
    - zepto 5y ago
      Not taking a vehicle from someone who should be banned from driving can lead to people being killed.