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Jeez! 59 year old guy with the same salary for the last 10 years. People working in 100 degree temperatures with no air conditioning. This is depressing to rea
by akudha 5y ago
Jeez! 59 year old guy with the same salary for the last 10 years. People working in 100 degree temperatures with no air conditioning.
This is depressing to read :(
- cj 5y agoIt’s these people I think about when reading the weekly threads here on developer burn out.
- regularjack 5y agoBurnout is a legitimate health issue for many people in this forum, and elsewhere.
- edoceo 5y agoEvery laborer sells the same the same thing: their body. It's just about which parts for how much - and the toll/risk each entails. All deserve a fair wage and respect.
- bitanarch 5y agoAgreed. Humans are inherently fragile beings with almost no redundant parts. If I fry your brain with long hours and politically hostile work environment and drive you to depression; vs. I fry your brain with long hours in physically exhausting environments. The results are the same - your brain is fried. One type of hostile work environment is not necessarily better or worse than another type of hostile work environment.
- willbw 5y agoI would push back against "the results are the same". They are objectively not the same. Of course physical and mental exhaustion are both bad, but I think people would prefer to work in an office than a factory and trying to equate the two experiences is a little reductive.
- kderbyma 5y agonot necessarily true. obviously you would, but I know many people who hate the idea of working indoors. They don't toil in a factory per se, but they work outside and enjoy it. the same time, if you have a good support group and work hard strenuous hours (like rig workers) the physical isn't that bad because you have the bouyant comfort of comraderie. but if you are in an office stuck next to someone whose values you cannot stand and clash with yours, and whose boss demands and harasses you all the time but you are stuck working paycheck to paycheck because of medical bills or something.....that's a reason to want a factory job for some.
- Ancapistani 5y ago> I think people would prefer to work in an office than a factory and trying to equate the two experiences is a little reductive. Having worked for a couple of years as a commercial electrician, I would choose that in a heartbeat over “knowledge work”… if they paid the same.
- sizzle 5y agoI heard self employed electrician is a solid paying trade?
- djohnston 5y agoI've worked as both a manual laborer on a construction site and a software engineer at big tech corp. The burnout I get as an engineer is way better than what I felt as a laborer, I don't think most people who have done both would consider them similar.
- seba_dos1 5y agoHow would you actually describe the burnout you get as an engineer? How long does it take? Have you recovered? How? I suspect that there are many definitions of the term "burnout" being used by different people, making communication difficult.
- afpx 5y agoWait until they experience several years of continuous, high-level cortisol, and they'll believe in burnout.
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- teawrecks 5y agoOh yeah? Well I think about child slaves working in coal mines.
- wkavey 5y agoThe whataboutism is real.
- raydev 5y agoI'm sure those people appreciate your thoughts.
- dredmorbius 5y agoPlaying traumas and injuries off against one another is a sociopath's divide-and-conquor tactic. Don't go there.
- peakaboo 5y agoThe only thing they have incommon is that they refuse to change their lives. They don't make use of their own capabilities to make changes. Specially the American culture has this idiotic thing where people are so afraid to called a failure or to be someone who quits. That's probably doing more damage than anything to yourselfs.
- tluyben2 5y agoI am not sure that is true though. When I was really into 'becoming a big startup' etc, I was taking lessons from almost exclusively US founders. If things fail, go bankrupt and repeat was a main point. But I was in the EU and here (outside of the UK, at least as far as I have seen in practice) bankruptcy is a big taboo and you are judged by it. Instead of it being something you at least tried but failed, it is seen as a deep flaw over here and it can haunt you for a long time as bankruptcy information is public. Judges and lawyers here push you to keep going and avoid bankruptcy at all cost, but that seriously makes no sense in many cases which can be outside your control. My last one was 8 years ago: I pivoted and it has been good since then. After selling a company, I have to find something new and that seems to fail 1-3 times in short succession, not all with bankruptcy of course, and then a business picks up momentum. I digress, but I think the US has a healthier attitude towards failure. Maybe I am wrong of course: I never lived there.
- Hokusai 5y ago> it is seen as a deep flaw over here and it can haunt you for a long time When a company goes bankrupt it can bring down with it smaller providers and self employed workers. If you only lose venture capital, that is not so bad as it is part of the risk/reward. Why anyone would like to do business with an entrepreneur that uses bankruptcy to move on? I guess that in-advance payments could be a solution. Bankruptcy is a last resort mechanism. It makes sense to let people move on when, without bad intention, they just failed a business. To make mistakes is human. But to abuse the privilege betting in high risk business and letting others pay for it seems immoral and not long-term sustainable for the economy.
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- jsbdk 5y agoWhat's the IQ? Asking for a friend.
- mgh2 5y agoOne word, greed: https://m-g-h.medium.com/why-we-are-dispensable-7a577eba4f3e https://m-g-h.medium.com/why-we-are-dispensable-7a577eba4f3e