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Realtime audio on hardware that isn't sold by Apple would be quite a killer reason to use Haiku. Especially seeing Apple is progressively abandoning the Pro, co

Realtime audio on hardware that isn't sold by Apple would be quite a killer reason to use Haiku. Especially seeing Apple is progressively abandoning the Pro, configurable market again.

skavi 5y ago
realtime audio and good color management are two things a lot of people use macOS for..
gjsman-1000 5y ago
They released a Mac Pro, as configurable as you could desire, less than two years ago and have a replacement already in the works. They aren’t abandoning the market.
- samatman 5y ago
  I agree with that for what it's worth. People who aren't in the industry don't really realize that the Mac Mini is the entry-level into audio production for most people (iMac is the same for video). It has just enough to get started, and when you're making the big bucks the Mac Pro is in fact affordable for what you get. Developers only see MacBooks for so long that they forget the rest of the product line exists, yet it's there for a reason.
  - jbluepolarbear 5y ago
    What profession is the Mac Pro targeted? They used to be great for video production and 3D modeling, animation, and light baking, but the current version just isn’t good enough and I’m seeing more and more professionals opt for a pc with a big dedicated gpu.
- michaelmrose 5y ago
  It starts at 6000 and has similar specs to $2600 dell or alternatively a $1500 machine you could build. Just going from the dinky 256GB SSD your 6000 machine comes with to a more reasonable 2TB actually takes you to 6800. Furthermore for this very substantial price you are buying a machine on an arch they are in the process of abandoning a bigger issue than the price. To recap in 2013 the trash can came out. It was I guess OK but by 2015 its specs were noncompetitive. Between 2015-most of 2019 there was no real great answer for a mac tower. At the cusp of 2020 the new tower emerged followed 1 year later by the announcement that everything is moving to arm sooner or later. Out of the last 8 years there has been one year in which it was a great year to get a mac tower and only if you are rich.
  - bboygravity 5y ago
    Yes. But you get properly working real-time audio out of the box with the Mac Pro that you don't get with any PC system. Assuming that this is true (which it is based off of the other comments) then that is EASILY worth the extra 4000 or even 10.000 USD to someone who needs real-time audio to do their recording or other audio creation job. When I became a professional (in another field than audio/music) I developed 0 tolerance for tech that didn't work or that has me fiddle around with it for hours to work. It financially just doesn't make any sense to spend your time on that. It also doesn't make any sense from a mental health and free-time point of view. I think that was the point (even though I'm not knowledgeable on the subject, other than having spent many day of my hobby-life trying to get Cubase to record with audio monitor (VST) without jittery latency on Windows and utterly failed).
diskzero 5y ago
Our final pivot at Be was HARP, the Home Audio Reference Platform, which we thought would be a killer reason to use BeOS. It was not a success.
squarefoot 5y ago
I would definitely consider Haiku for music if it had the same low latency capabilities as BeOS, but latency aside, a lot changed since the BeOS era: today pretty much all non consumer audio interfaces are external, therefore driver support for them is needed as well. Also it's not uncommon to see hybrid systems in which Linux runs a DAW and its plugins under WINE. It's a mess to configure and breaks very easily (lesson learned: don't do that in your tinkering machine that you upgrade often or install/compile different kernels etc. use a separate machine for Linux+music), so a WINE port would be useful as well, but I guess it'd be a huge job.

Realtime audio on hardware that isn't sold by Apple would be quite a killer reason to use Haiku. Especially seeing Apple is progressively abandoning the Pro, configurable market again.

skavi 5y ago

realtime audio and good color management are two things a lot of people use macOS for..

gjsman-1000 5y ago

They released a Mac Pro, as configurable as you could desire, less than two years ago and have a replacement already in the works. They aren’t abandoning the market.

samatman 5y ago
I agree with that for what it's worth. People who aren't in the industry don't really realize that the Mac Mini is the entry-level into audio production for most people (iMac is the same for video). It has just enough to get started, and when you're making the big bucks the Mac Pro is in fact affordable for what you get. Developers only see MacBooks for so long that they forget the rest of the product line exists, yet it's there for a reason.
- jbluepolarbear 5y ago
  What profession is the Mac Pro targeted? They used to be great for video production and 3D modeling, animation, and light baking, but the current version just isn’t good enough and I’m seeing more and more professionals opt for a pc with a big dedicated gpu.
michaelmrose 5y ago
It starts at 6000 and has similar specs to $2600 dell or alternatively a $1500 machine you could build. Just going from the dinky 256GB SSD your 6000 machine comes with to a more reasonable 2TB actually takes you to 6800. Furthermore for this very substantial price you are buying a machine on an arch they are in the process of abandoning a bigger issue than the price. To recap in 2013 the trash can came out. It was I guess OK but by 2015 its specs were noncompetitive. Between 2015-most of 2019 there was no real great answer for a mac tower. At the cusp of 2020 the new tower emerged followed 1 year later by the announcement that everything is moving to arm sooner or later. Out of the last 8 years there has been one year in which it was a great year to get a mac tower and only if you are rich.
- bboygravity 5y ago
  Yes. But you get properly working real-time audio out of the box with the Mac Pro that you don't get with any PC system. Assuming that this is true (which it is based off of the other comments) then that is EASILY worth the extra 4000 or even 10.000 USD to someone who needs real-time audio to do their recording or other audio creation job. When I became a professional (in another field than audio/music) I developed 0 tolerance for tech that didn't work or that has me fiddle around with it for hours to work. It financially just doesn't make any sense to spend your time on that. It also doesn't make any sense from a mental health and free-time point of view. I think that was the point (even though I'm not knowledgeable on the subject, other than having spent many day of my hobby-life trying to get Cubase to record with audio monitor (VST) without jittery latency on Windows and utterly failed).

diskzero 5y ago

Our final pivot at Be was HARP, the Home Audio Reference Platform, which we thought would be a killer reason to use BeOS. It was not a success.

squarefoot 5y ago

I would definitely consider Haiku for music if it had the same low latency capabilities as BeOS, but latency aside, a lot changed since the BeOS era: today pretty much all non consumer audio interfaces are external, therefore driver support for them is needed as well. Also it's not uncommon to see hybrid systems in which Linux runs a DAW and its plugins under WINE. It's a mess to configure and breaks very easily (lesson learned: don't do that in your tinkering machine that you upgrade often or install/compile different kernels etc. use a separate machine for Linux+music), so a WINE port would be useful as well, but I guess it'd be a huge job.