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> Mountaineering groups said the dotted line crossed "potentially fatal" steep, rocky and pathless terrain, while a suggested walking route for a different moun

> Mountaineering groups said the dotted line crossed "potentially fatal" steep, rocky and pathless terrain, while a suggested walking route for a different mountain, An Teallach, would lead people over a cliff I've climbed An Teallach, just over 20 years ago, with a group of student friends. To use the British English vernacular, it really is the "arse end of nowhere". With hindsight, despite our best efforts, we weren't particularly well prepared, and had we got into any kind of trouble - broken ankle or worse - it would have been a _very_ long walk for one of us to walk out to civilization and fetch help. Four days in the wilderness. Amazing.

forgotmypw17 5y ago
I think this sort of experience brings out awareness, care, attentiveness, which we have depended on for survival, but societal environments seem to discourage in favor of timeliness.
EdwardDiego 5y ago
Best investment I ever made was a personal locator beacon, as nearly all my outdoors time is in remote areas, often well off tramping tracks in dense bush, and plenty of fun gorges and bluff lines. Well, probably first equal in terms of safety investments, alongside a tent when travelling with others, and a bivvy bag when travelling solo - after falling, the next biggest cause of fatalities in my country (excluding hunters shooting their mates during the roar) is people drowning crossing rivers[1] - and the mental pressure to reach that hut you're relying on for shelter, especially if people are exhausted or hypothermic in your party, is often why people attempt to cross dangerous waterways. So being able to set up shelter, and stay warm while waiting it out, or waiting for rescue, is well worth the extra weight of a tent, even if you intend to only stay in huts. ...and I'm a chronic snorer, so being able to sleep away from the hut means no-one hates me in the morning. [1]: https://www.mountainsafety.org.nz/explore/there-and-back/ https://www.mountainsafety.org.nz/explore/there-and-back/

forgotmypw17 5y ago

I think this sort of experience brings out awareness, care, attentiveness, which we have depended on for survival, but societal environments seem to discourage in favor of timeliness.

EdwardDiego 5y ago

Best investment I ever made was a personal locator beacon, as nearly all my outdoors time is in remote areas, often well off tramping tracks in dense bush, and plenty of fun gorges and bluff lines. Well, probably first equal in terms of safety investments, alongside a tent when travelling with others, and a bivvy bag when travelling solo - after falling, the next biggest cause of fatalities in my country (excluding hunters shooting their mates during the roar) is people drowning crossing rivers[1] - and the mental pressure to reach that hut you're relying on for shelter, especially if people are exhausted or hypothermic in your party, is often why people attempt to cross dangerous waterways. So being able to set up shelter, and stay warm while waiting it out, or waiting for rescue, is well worth the extra weight of a tent, even if you intend to only stay in huts. ...and I'm a chronic snorer, so being able to sleep away from the hut means no-one hates me in the morning. [1]: https://www.mountainsafety.org.nz/explore/there-and-back/ https://www.mountainsafety.org.nz/explore/there-and-back/