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The idea that Germany came even close to winning the war has always seemed aggressively idiotic to me. We weren't lucky to win the war, Germany was lucky to eve

The idea that Germany came even close to winning the war has always seemed aggressively idiotic to me. We weren't lucky to win the war, Germany was lucky to even make it out of the 30's

newsclues 5y ago
It wasn’t luck. After two devastating wars look at where Germany is now. An economic and industrial superpower
inglor_cz 5y ago
In May 1940, as the British were evacuating Dunkirk, Churchill met the Cabinet to discuss a possible armistice with Germany, mediated through Mussolini. At that point, UK was the only significant power fighting the Germans. Churchill prevailed against Halifax, but if the decision went the other way, Germans would have uncontested control over most of the continent either directly or through satellite states, with exception of the USSR and small holdouts like Malta.
mytailorisrich 5y ago
They had won the war. Then, they decided to invade the USSR... Same mistake Napoleon did and it played out almost the same.
- jhbadger 5y ago
  But this assumes the US never entered the war. The US was basically invincible before the advent of the ICBM because there was no way for neither Germany nor Japan to launch an effective attack on the US mainland, and more importantly, on its industrial capacity. But the US could easily attack by air both Germany and Japan thanks to allies within striking range. The standard Nazis/Japan conquers the US scenario as in The Man in the High Castle just doesn't make sense.
  - mytailorisrich 5y ago
    If Germany had not invaded the USSR then they would both have had the upper hand at an invasion of the British Isles and an allied invasion of Europe would have been close to impossible. At which point whether Germany could successfully invade the US becomes irrelevant because neither side can destroy the other, which usually leads to peace talks and a peace agreement that acknowledges the status quo, which was German control of Europe. Again, that's not very different from the situation in 1812. In fact Germany had a much stronger position. Japan also went way over their heads but they actually did that early when they invaded China. The attack on Pearl Harbour was the nail in the coffin because that led to full support from the US to China along with destruction of Japanese industrial capacity. Don't try to invade Russia, and don't try to invade China. This may sound obvious but history shows that lessons need to be learned and re-learned the hard way.

The idea that Germany came even close to winning the war has always seemed aggressively idiotic to me. We weren't lucky to win the war, Germany was lucky to even make it out of the 30's

newsclues 5y ago

It wasn’t luck. After two devastating wars look at where Germany is now. An economic and industrial superpower

inglor_cz 5y ago

In May 1940, as the British were evacuating Dunkirk, Churchill met the Cabinet to discuss a possible armistice with Germany, mediated through Mussolini. At that point, UK was the only significant power fighting the Germans. Churchill prevailed against Halifax, but if the decision went the other way, Germans would have uncontested control over most of the continent either directly or through satellite states, with exception of the USSR and small holdouts like Malta.

mytailorisrich 5y ago

They had won the war. Then, they decided to invade the USSR... Same mistake Napoleon did and it played out almost the same.

jhbadger 5y ago
But this assumes the US never entered the war. The US was basically invincible before the advent of the ICBM because there was no way for neither Germany nor Japan to launch an effective attack on the US mainland, and more importantly, on its industrial capacity. But the US could easily attack by air both Germany and Japan thanks to allies within striking range. The standard Nazis/Japan conquers the US scenario as in The Man in the High Castle just doesn't make sense.
- mytailorisrich 5y ago
  If Germany had not invaded the USSR then they would both have had the upper hand at an invasion of the British Isles and an allied invasion of Europe would have been close to impossible. At which point whether Germany could successfully invade the US becomes irrelevant because neither side can destroy the other, which usually leads to peace talks and a peace agreement that acknowledges the status quo, which was German control of Europe. Again, that's not very different from the situation in 1812. In fact Germany had a much stronger position. Japan also went way over their heads but they actually did that early when they invaded China. The attack on Pearl Harbour was the nail in the coffin because that led to full support from the US to China along with destruction of Japanese industrial capacity. Don't try to invade Russia, and don't try to invade China. This may sound obvious but history shows that lessons need to be learned and re-learned the hard way.