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The two factors are: Credentialism the worship of credentials throughout many industries when other cheaper metrics are available, but may be illegal (like tes

The two factors are: Credentialism the worship of credentials throughout many industries when other cheaper metrics are available, but may be illegal (like testing for IQ in USA) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credentialism_and_educational_inflation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credentialism_and_educational_... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griggs_v._Duke_Power_Co https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griggs_v._Duke_Power_Co. and inability to declare bankruptcy so as to include student loans. Bankruptcy says that the _lender_ has responsibility to not enslave people with debt -- or rather the _lender_ may only enslave a borrower for a limited amount of time, after which it is ultimately the lenders problem that they gave that person too much money and that they should have known that the borrower would have never been able to repay. Debt is a useful tool, but the ability to enslave people with debt should be limited by the law.

sombremesa 5y ago
If testing for IQ works for your purposes, then why not use GMAT, GRE, SAT scores? I’m not sure any of this helps, though, since it would only prove you’re good at the test.
- yCombLinks 5y ago
  Standardized tests are highly predictive of IQ. https://slate.com/technology/2014/04/what-do-sat-and-iq-tests-measure-general-intelligence-predicts-school-and-life-success.html https://slate.com/technology/2014/04/what-do-sat-and-iq-test... Here's a layman read. Here's a little more depth : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6963451/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6963451/
  - parsecs 5y ago
    Just wondering, as someone currently preparing for SAT - why is it so easy to drastically improve one's performance on standardized tests if they predict IQ? My score was pretty mediocre (due to a year of slacking off during COVID) but after some practice I improved it significantly - does that mean my IQ is greatly increasing as well? I know of some very, very clever people who do not perform well, and the opposite too.
    - dehrmann 5y ago
      > why is it so easy to drastically improve one's performance on standardized tests I'm going to guess you're gains plateau or you get to a near-perfect score pretty quickly. The gains you're seeing are just familiarity with the test.
      - netr0ute 5y ago
        How can some people keep improving year after year on these tests, though? They don't fit into your possible options.
        dehrmann 5y ago
        Do you mean the same person gets better year over year? They learned and matured as a student.
        netr0ute 5y ago
        That's what I mean.
        abecedarius 5y ago
        Do you mean teenagers? I took the SAT at around 12 and at 16, for instance, and scored considerably higher the second time, with no special test prep (just a couple of sample tests from a booklet from the library a few days before that second test). I think that did help a little, but already doing a third one would've been in the region of diminishing returns. The difference really was just the time, and high school classes. I'd be surprised to see this pattern in someone a decade older.
    - yCombLinks 5y ago
      "SAT scores are predictive of IQ" is not the same as saying "if an individual gets a higher SAT score than another person they have a higher IQ than that person". If however you had a group of 100 people that had a fairly higher score, it is very likely they would have a higher mean IQ than a group of 100 people with a lower score. Nor is it the same as saying "the SAT is a perfect IQ test". A perfect IQ test, one that gives an individual the same score every time, and ranks everyone along an unquestioned scale, is likely impossible.

sombremesa 5y ago

If testing for IQ works for your purposes, then why not use GMAT, GRE, SAT scores? I’m not sure any of this helps, though, since it would only prove you’re good at the test.

yCombLinks 5y ago
Standardized tests are highly predictive of IQ. https://slate.com/technology/2014/04/what-do-sat-and-iq-tests-measure-general-intelligence-predicts-school-and-life-success.html https://slate.com/technology/2014/04/what-do-sat-and-iq-test... Here's a layman read. Here's a little more depth : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6963451/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6963451/
- parsecs 5y ago
  Just wondering, as someone currently preparing for SAT - why is it so easy to drastically improve one's performance on standardized tests if they predict IQ? My score was pretty mediocre (due to a year of slacking off during COVID) but after some practice I improved it significantly - does that mean my IQ is greatly increasing as well? I know of some very, very clever people who do not perform well, and the opposite too.
  - dehrmann 5y ago
    > why is it so easy to drastically improve one's performance on standardized tests I'm going to guess you're gains plateau or you get to a near-perfect score pretty quickly. The gains you're seeing are just familiarity with the test.
    - netr0ute 5y ago
      How can some people keep improving year after year on these tests, though? They don't fit into your possible options.
      - dehrmann 5y ago
        Do you mean the same person gets better year over year? They learned and matured as a student.
        netr0ute 5y ago
        That's what I mean.
        abecedarius 5y ago
        Do you mean teenagers? I took the SAT at around 12 and at 16, for instance, and scored considerably higher the second time, with no special test prep (just a couple of sample tests from a booklet from the library a few days before that second test). I think that did help a little, but already doing a third one would've been in the region of diminishing returns. The difference really was just the time, and high school classes. I'd be surprised to see this pattern in someone a decade older.
  - yCombLinks 5y ago
    "SAT scores are predictive of IQ" is not the same as saying "if an individual gets a higher SAT score than another person they have a higher IQ than that person". If however you had a group of 100 people that had a fairly higher score, it is very likely they would have a higher mean IQ than a group of 100 people with a lower score. Nor is it the same as saying "the SAT is a perfect IQ test". A perfect IQ test, one that gives an individual the same score every time, and ranks everyone along an unquestioned scale, is likely impossible.