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> France sounded like a muslim country back then: >> Most French girls before the war had far less freedom than our girls back home. A great many were not perm

> France sounded like a muslim country back then: >> Most French girls before the war had far less freedom than our girls back home. A great many were not permitted to go out without a chaperone. France is dominantly Catholic in religion and in morals... Can you imagine: from that to disallowing fathers to do a DNA test in less than 100 years!

Bayart 5y ago
What are you on ? It's perfectly legal, there's just a process to follow because it's completely illegal to take someone's DNA without their consent, unless there's a criminal procedure with sufficient proof. Sneaking a paternity test by taking someone's DNA surreptitiously would be not only worthless as a legal document, but also put you on the spot for litigation.
- nodejs_rulez_1 5y ago
  Following your logic: 'French girls were fully permitted to go out but there was just a process to follow - presence of a chaperon.' Seriously, just open Wikipedia and read about different countries e.g.: In the United States, paternity testing is fully legal, and fathers may test their children without the consent or knowledge of the mother. Paternity testing take-home kits are readily available for purchase, though their results are not admissible in court and are for personal knowledge only.
  - cycomanic 5y ago
    Except that taking someone's DNA without their consent (or the consent of their guardians) is nothing like making girls (and women) be accompanied by a chaperone. I always find it fascinating that many American people believe very strongly in individual freedoms, the same people often believe these freedoms do not apply to children (or teenagers) and parents should have unconditional ownership over their children.
    - true_religion 5y ago
      But do you really need the consent of all the guardians?
      - cycomanic 5y ago
        Yes, generally you do. In many countries you need consent of all guardians for all serious interventions, like operations, school changes, travel outside the country... So why should a paternaty test be different?
- dang 5y ago
  Please omit personal swipes from your HN comments, regardless of how wrong another comment is or you feel it is. It just makes things worse. Your comment would be fine without that first bit. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
dang 5y ago
"Eschew flamebait. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Bayart 5y ago

What are you on ? It's perfectly legal, there's just a process to follow because it's completely illegal to take someone's DNA without their consent, unless there's a criminal procedure with sufficient proof. Sneaking a paternity test by taking someone's DNA surreptitiously would be not only worthless as a legal document, but also put you on the spot for litigation.

nodejs_rulez_1 5y ago
Following your logic: 'French girls were fully permitted to go out but there was just a process to follow - presence of a chaperon.' Seriously, just open Wikipedia and read about different countries e.g.: In the United States, paternity testing is fully legal, and fathers may test their children without the consent or knowledge of the mother. Paternity testing take-home kits are readily available for purchase, though their results are not admissible in court and are for personal knowledge only.
- cycomanic 5y ago
  Except that taking someone's DNA without their consent (or the consent of their guardians) is nothing like making girls (and women) be accompanied by a chaperone. I always find it fascinating that many American people believe very strongly in individual freedoms, the same people often believe these freedoms do not apply to children (or teenagers) and parents should have unconditional ownership over their children.
  - true_religion 5y ago
    But do you really need the consent of all the guardians?
    - cycomanic 5y ago
      Yes, generally you do. In many countries you need consent of all guardians for all serious interventions, like operations, school changes, travel outside the country... So why should a paternaty test be different?
dang 5y ago
Please omit personal swipes from your HN comments, regardless of how wrong another comment is or you feel it is. It just makes things worse. Your comment would be fine without that first bit. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

dang 5y ago

"Eschew flamebait. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html