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Cuba is a geographicly strategic location. It sits right in the middle of the Caribbean and makes up one side of each of the three choke points which allow ship

Cuba is a geographicly strategic location. It sits right in the middle of the Caribbean and makes up one side of each of the three choke points which allow shipping to/from the Gulf of Mexico US ports. A hostile regime left on its own could become a major threat to the US economy by making traversal of those straits hazardous to US shipments. This is major commodities. Petrochemicals, agriculture, raw ore, fertilizer, etc. There is always some political angle, but the adults in the room are generally aligned that Cuba needs to either be friendly or at least be impotent.

sudosysgen 5y ago
This is actually delusional, I'm sorry. Cuba possess exactly 0 anti-shipping threat to the US. There is no feasible scenario where Cuba develops enough, with a population of 11 million, to become a military threat to the US. It could fire off a few missiles before the positions get destroyed, sure, but so could any nation with an SSK. The reason for the enmity towards Cuba is nothing else than the Monroe Doctrine, and despite any appeals to "adulthood" which are thinly veiled appeals to paternalism, the Monroe Doctrine is interpreted better through an elementary schoolyard bully lens than through the eyes of the adults in the room - "if you're ij my class you can't be bestest friends with anybody else". It doesn't come with any consideration for anyone beyond the US and its not even about security, it's about dominance.
- eganist 5y ago
  > This is actually delusional, I'm sorry. > Cuba possess exactly 0 anti-shipping threat to the US. There is no feasible scenario where Cuba develops enough, with a population of 11 million, to become a military threat to the US. It could fire off a few missiles before the positions get destroyed, sure, but so could any nation with an SSK. > The reason for the enmity towards Cuba is nothing else than the Monroe Doctrine, and despite any appeals to "adulthood" which are thinly veiled appeals to paternalism, the Monroe Doctrine is interpreted better through an elementary schoolyard bully lens than through the eyes of the adults in the room - "if you're ij my class you can't be bestest friends with anybody else". It doesn't come with any consideration for anyone beyond the US and its not even about security, it's about dominance. You're essentially claiming that the US is holding a multigenerational grudge rather than implementing some sort of strategic objective. Can you help me understand why you believe this? Ideally with citations and without hostile language like "delusional"?
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    It's not a grudge, but it is basically childish. The US has a doctrine that no state in the Western hemisphere can be under the influence of someone other than the US. The purpose isn't defensive, it's agressive, and it obviously furthers US interests if having the most power possible fits your definition. As for a citation, the Monroe doctrine is almost official.
adolfojp 5y ago
That's a load of nonsense. We don't live in the golden age of piracy when privateers ruled the sees. We live in the age of Cuba's ports being within the range of cruise missiles from Florida.

sudosysgen 5y ago

This is actually delusional, I'm sorry. Cuba possess exactly 0 anti-shipping threat to the US. There is no feasible scenario where Cuba develops enough, with a population of 11 million, to become a military threat to the US. It could fire off a few missiles before the positions get destroyed, sure, but so could any nation with an SSK. The reason for the enmity towards Cuba is nothing else than the Monroe Doctrine, and despite any appeals to "adulthood" which are thinly veiled appeals to paternalism, the Monroe Doctrine is interpreted better through an elementary schoolyard bully lens than through the eyes of the adults in the room - "if you're ij my class you can't be bestest friends with anybody else". It doesn't come with any consideration for anyone beyond the US and its not even about security, it's about dominance.

eganist 5y ago
> This is actually delusional, I'm sorry. > Cuba possess exactly 0 anti-shipping threat to the US. There is no feasible scenario where Cuba develops enough, with a population of 11 million, to become a military threat to the US. It could fire off a few missiles before the positions get destroyed, sure, but so could any nation with an SSK. > The reason for the enmity towards Cuba is nothing else than the Monroe Doctrine, and despite any appeals to "adulthood" which are thinly veiled appeals to paternalism, the Monroe Doctrine is interpreted better through an elementary schoolyard bully lens than through the eyes of the adults in the room - "if you're ij my class you can't be bestest friends with anybody else". It doesn't come with any consideration for anyone beyond the US and its not even about security, it's about dominance. You're essentially claiming that the US is holding a multigenerational grudge rather than implementing some sort of strategic objective. Can you help me understand why you believe this? Ideally with citations and without hostile language like "delusional"?
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  It's not a grudge, but it is basically childish. The US has a doctrine that no state in the Western hemisphere can be under the influence of someone other than the US. The purpose isn't defensive, it's agressive, and it obviously furthers US interests if having the most power possible fits your definition. As for a citation, the Monroe doctrine is almost official.

adolfojp 5y ago

That's a load of nonsense. We don't live in the golden age of piracy when privateers ruled the sees. We live in the age of Cuba's ports being within the range of cruise missiles from Florida.