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Making what irrelevant? The 'implications' for 'human emotions' is vague enough to be analogous to simply 'fear of change'. Focusing on the process and not th

Making what irrelevant? The 'implications' for 'human emotions' is vague enough to be analogous to simply 'fear of change'. Focusing on the process and not the outcome has been common advice since the Tao Te Ching. It's not easy, but that's not due to tech.

agumonkey 5y ago
> Making what irrelevant? why try to make your body into a super-efficient machine if robots are out of your league, can one exist if he's doomed to be beaten ? maybe it will cause a healthy shift in focus and appreciation about what we try to do (people may still try to reach their full potential even if it will stop being best absolute performance, but only best 'human' performance').
- joshuaissac 5y ago
  Computers beat humans at chess, but players are still trying to become good at chess. Cars can travel faster than humans and horses, yet we still have running competitions and horse races.
  - HWR_14 5y ago
    > Cars can travel faster than humans and horses, yet we still have running competitions and horse races. I don't know why we still have (or broadcast) running competitions.
- httpsterio 5y ago
  how do toi build a robot that executes Kung fu if you have no data points about how the body should move and behave? You'd still need to record an actual human performing them if you want to build a robot that could emulate that.
  - agumonkey 5y ago
    That's not a great joy and is what jet mi complained about, you're used to be beaten and replaced. It's a poor prognosis.
- krisoft 5y ago
  > why try to make your body into a super-efficient machine if robots are out of your league, can one exist if he's doomed to be beaten ? Any couch potato can shoot even the best martial art master dead with widely available cheap tools and a few weeks worth of training. And this is not even a new phenomenay. All practicioners alive today were born into this. Doesn’t seem to have stopped them from practicing.
  - wiz21c 5y ago
    Practicing martial arts leads to much more than being able to perform cool moves. I practice tai chi and I can tell you that my teacher do things you can hardly believe without moving his body much. Using a combination of breathing, accurate movements, he can push you meters away. Really cool. Takes at least dozens of years of intensive training to reach that level. He compares that to training playing piano for international level competitions (such as Concours Reine Elizabeth).
  - visarga 5y ago
    > Any couch potato can shoot even the best martial art master dead with widely available cheap tools Gun, it's zero effort maximum damage
- pmontra 5y ago
  I second this but it's not even about being the best of humans. At least 90% of amateur cyclists are out of my league and yet I insist to go cycling, because I like it.
  - usrusr 5y ago
    Cycling is a very interesting example. Cycling was crazy huge for a while when it was the fastest form of individual travel (only trains were faster) and many people moved on when the internal combustion engine became practical. But the subset of the appeal that remained despite engines has been rather stable ever since.
    - rwnspace 5y ago
      I think the lack of a stable is part of the appeal, most people don't have anywhere to put a horse.
      - PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
        Many apartment dwellers find even storing a bicycle to be at best a hassle, at worst almost impossible.
      - pmontra 5y ago
        Horses must be fed even when you don't ride them. Cars and bicycles stay where you left them and don't ask for anything. But I won't leave a bicycle parked on a street for a week.
      - usrusr 5y ago
        Horses outrun moderately trained cyclists only for a very short distance, on longer distances they fall behind runners. The main benefit of a horse is that you can carry more stuff with you.
    - ryukafalz 5y ago
      In some places it's faster than a car, due to 1) the sheer volume of cars meaning that any driver will be stuck in traffic and 2) it being way easier to find parking for a bicycle than a car. I live in a city where this is often true. That said, maybe the appeal that's remained since has been relatively stable overall, but locally it varies a lot depending on the cycling infrastructure that's available. More people ride when they feel safe doing so.
- warglebargle 5y ago
  why run when you can drive… you’ll never outrun a car
  - genewitch 5y ago
    unless you run into a forest, a beach, a building, between buildings, jump down from a bridge onto an embankment...
    - perl4ever 5y ago
      Now that walking robots are a reality, I'm anticipating when someone produces a set of bolt on legs for a Jeep, for real all terrain capability.

agumonkey 5y ago

> Making what irrelevant? why try to make your body into a super-efficient machine if robots are out of your league, can one exist if he's doomed to be beaten ? maybe it will cause a healthy shift in focus and appreciation about what we try to do (people may still try to reach their full potential even if it will stop being best absolute performance, but only best 'human' performance').

joshuaissac 5y ago
Computers beat humans at chess, but players are still trying to become good at chess. Cars can travel faster than humans and horses, yet we still have running competitions and horse races.
- HWR_14 5y ago
  > Cars can travel faster than humans and horses, yet we still have running competitions and horse races. I don't know why we still have (or broadcast) running competitions.
httpsterio 5y ago
how do toi build a robot that executes Kung fu if you have no data points about how the body should move and behave? You'd still need to record an actual human performing them if you want to build a robot that could emulate that.
- agumonkey 5y ago
  That's not a great joy and is what jet mi complained about, you're used to be beaten and replaced. It's a poor prognosis.
krisoft 5y ago
> why try to make your body into a super-efficient machine if robots are out of your league, can one exist if he's doomed to be beaten ? Any couch potato can shoot even the best martial art master dead with widely available cheap tools and a few weeks worth of training. And this is not even a new phenomenay. All practicioners alive today were born into this. Doesn’t seem to have stopped them from practicing.
- wiz21c 5y ago
  Practicing martial arts leads to much more than being able to perform cool moves. I practice tai chi and I can tell you that my teacher do things you can hardly believe without moving his body much. Using a combination of breathing, accurate movements, he can push you meters away. Really cool. Takes at least dozens of years of intensive training to reach that level. He compares that to training playing piano for international level competitions (such as Concours Reine Elizabeth).
- visarga 5y ago
  > Any couch potato can shoot even the best martial art master dead with widely available cheap tools Gun, it's zero effort maximum damage
pmontra 5y ago
I second this but it's not even about being the best of humans. At least 90% of amateur cyclists are out of my league and yet I insist to go cycling, because I like it.
- usrusr 5y ago
  Cycling is a very interesting example. Cycling was crazy huge for a while when it was the fastest form of individual travel (only trains were faster) and many people moved on when the internal combustion engine became practical. But the subset of the appeal that remained despite engines has been rather stable ever since.
  - rwnspace 5y ago
    I think the lack of a stable is part of the appeal, most people don't have anywhere to put a horse.
    - PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
      Many apartment dwellers find even storing a bicycle to be at best a hassle, at worst almost impossible.
    - pmontra 5y ago
      Horses must be fed even when you don't ride them. Cars and bicycles stay where you left them and don't ask for anything. But I won't leave a bicycle parked on a street for a week.
    - usrusr 5y ago
      Horses outrun moderately trained cyclists only for a very short distance, on longer distances they fall behind runners. The main benefit of a horse is that you can carry more stuff with you.
  - ryukafalz 5y ago
    In some places it's faster than a car, due to 1) the sheer volume of cars meaning that any driver will be stuck in traffic and 2) it being way easier to find parking for a bicycle than a car. I live in a city where this is often true. That said, maybe the appeal that's remained since has been relatively stable overall, but locally it varies a lot depending on the cycling infrastructure that's available. More people ride when they feel safe doing so.
warglebargle 5y ago
why run when you can drive… you’ll never outrun a car
- genewitch 5y ago
  unless you run into a forest, a beach, a building, between buildings, jump down from a bridge onto an embankment...
  - perl4ever 5y ago
    Now that walking robots are a reality, I'm anticipating when someone produces a set of bolt on legs for a Jeep, for real all terrain capability.