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There is no partisan strife Biden and the Democratic party are silent on Cuba. But dig a little more and their stance is the same as the GOP.

squarefoot 5y ago
Pretty sure you're right. Mccarthysm ended decades ago, but its effects are still there. We probably need to evolve for some time (centuries?) before a politician can openly speak about anything related to communism without being labeled as the devil and see their career destroyed in seconds.
- nerdponx 5y ago
  As far as I'm aware, Communism was a "dirty word" since the Russian revolution. The obvious conspiracy theory is that those in the halls of power embarked (successfully) on a multi-decade project to suppress and discredit Communism as an acceptable political belief.
njjnvc 5y ago
No, many in the GOP still agree with wetfoot/dryfoot due to the ongoing historical legacy of the failure of JFK at the Bay of Pigs. Rhetorically, to pick a couple of examples, Ron DeSantis and Marco Rubio correctly have identified the Communist regime as the cause of the unrest in Cuba. And if the age of postmodernism has taught us anything it's that rhetoric matters. AOC, self professed "trained Marxist" Patrisse Cullors, and many Democrats, instead blame all the problems in Cuba on the US embargo and forgive the regime for its many crimes, and BLM put out a statement of support for the regime. The GOP isn't unified but at least some of them seem to understand the reality of the regime there and aren't eager to kowtow because the regime claims to have universal education and healthcare.
- nerdponx 5y ago
  We don't have comparable embargoes on nation-states whose governments have committed much more heinous crimes. Like with sanctions in the Middle East, it just hurts regular people and the government continues to not care.

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There is no partisan strife Biden and the Democratic party are silent on Cuba. But dig a little more and their stance is the same as the GOP.

by MomoXenosaga 5y ago

squarefoot 5y ago
Pretty sure you're right. Mccarthysm ended decades ago, but its effects are still there. We probably need to evolve for some time (centuries?) before a politician can openly speak about anything related to communism without being labeled as the devil and see their career destroyed in seconds.
- nerdponx 5y ago
  As far as I'm aware, Communism was a "dirty word" since the Russian revolution. The obvious conspiracy theory is that those in the halls of power embarked (successfully) on a multi-decade project to suppress and discredit Communism as an acceptable political belief.
njjnvc 5y ago
No, many in the GOP still agree with wetfoot/dryfoot due to the ongoing historical legacy of the failure of JFK at the Bay of Pigs. Rhetorically, to pick a couple of examples, Ron DeSantis and Marco Rubio correctly have identified the Communist regime as the cause of the unrest in Cuba. And if the age of postmodernism has taught us anything it's that rhetoric matters. AOC, self professed "trained Marxist" Patrisse Cullors, and many Democrats, instead blame all the problems in Cuba on the US embargo and forgive the regime for its many crimes, and BLM put out a statement of support for the regime. The GOP isn't unified but at least some of them seem to understand the reality of the regime there and aren't eager to kowtow because the regime claims to have universal education and healthcare.
- nerdponx 5y ago
  We don't have comparable embargoes on nation-states whose governments have committed much more heinous crimes. Like with sanctions in the Middle East, it just hurts regular people and the government continues to not care.