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Well, when people read full self driving, they think they never have to touch the wheel in whatever circumstance. Can you remove the wheel? That the public does

Well, when people read full self driving, they think they never have to touch the wheel in whatever circumstance. Can you remove the wheel? That the public does not care does not mean it is not a wrong message which might lead to bad accidents, by the public.

roenxi 5y ago
My retort to those people is that would probably be illegal, and they shouldn't expect to be able to do illegal things. I don't think I've heard of a self driving car yet where it is OK to take your hands off the wheel.
- tluyben2 5y ago
  The issue is that this is not about reading the small print: this is about the point that if you walk into the street, hit up a stranger and ask if the phrase 'full self driving' suggests to them that they need to keep hands on the wheel, pay attention or anything like that. There are 1000s of videos on the web where people are doing things in Teslas, including having sex, while driving and that gives me the distinct impression that the public did not read the small print and believes the marketing phrasing. It is false advertising and I find it weird that it is allowed. People will believe it and not spend time sweating the nuances like you or I would.
  - voakbasda 5y ago
    I believe most people have read the fine print. They just don’t believe or understand the limitations, in the light of the amazing things it can already do. They understand the potential consequences, but they naively believe that anything bad will happen to someone else. By way of example, the causes to most industrial accidents are well known in advance, and workers are trained to avoid them by using proper procedures or safety equipment. Yet these same accidents still occur with regularity. Why? Because some people will be too lazy/ignorant/stupid to follow directions. You can’t make anything foolproof, because the universe will simply evolve a bigger fool. Don’t blame the car. Blame the idiots behind the wheel that do the stupid things. They are the problem here.
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    - erhk 5y ago
      Its great that you believe that. I dont and we can stop the conversation here.
- ac29 5y ago
  You make it sounds like its a minor technicality. The reason you cant take your hands off the wheel isnt because of outdated laws, its because Tesla's software will happily steer the car into stationary and moving objects alike, as well as make other dangerous moves like late lane changes across solid lines.
  - plebianRube 5y ago
    However, it's kind of genius if you think about it, that tesla has people paying 10k a pop to test their software and collect data for them.
- Jasper_ 5y ago
  Here's a video from 2018, from the official Tesla account. https://vimeo.com/192179726 https://vimeo.com/192179726 It starts with the words "The person in the driver's seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself." The rest of the video shows the car moving without the person touching the wheel. So yeah, I do indeed wonder where people have gotten the impression that it is OK to take your hands off the wheel in a Tesla-make car.

roenxi 5y ago

My retort to those people is that would probably be illegal, and they shouldn't expect to be able to do illegal things. I don't think I've heard of a self driving car yet where it is OK to take your hands off the wheel.

tluyben2 5y ago
The issue is that this is not about reading the small print: this is about the point that if you walk into the street, hit up a stranger and ask if the phrase 'full self driving' suggests to them that they need to keep hands on the wheel, pay attention or anything like that. There are 1000s of videos on the web where people are doing things in Teslas, including having sex, while driving and that gives me the distinct impression that the public did not read the small print and believes the marketing phrasing. It is false advertising and I find it weird that it is allowed. People will believe it and not spend time sweating the nuances like you or I would.
- voakbasda 5y ago
  I believe most people have read the fine print. They just don’t believe or understand the limitations, in the light of the amazing things it can already do. They understand the potential consequences, but they naively believe that anything bad will happen to someone else. By way of example, the causes to most industrial accidents are well known in advance, and workers are trained to avoid them by using proper procedures or safety equipment. Yet these same accidents still occur with regularity. Why? Because some people will be too lazy/ignorant/stupid to follow directions. You can’t make anything foolproof, because the universe will simply evolve a bigger fool. Don’t blame the car. Blame the idiots behind the wheel that do the stupid things. They are the problem here.
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  - erhk 5y ago
    Its great that you believe that. I dont and we can stop the conversation here.
ac29 5y ago
You make it sounds like its a minor technicality. The reason you cant take your hands off the wheel isnt because of outdated laws, its because Tesla's software will happily steer the car into stationary and moving objects alike, as well as make other dangerous moves like late lane changes across solid lines.
- plebianRube 5y ago
  However, it's kind of genius if you think about it, that tesla has people paying 10k a pop to test their software and collect data for them.
Jasper_ 5y ago
Here's a video from 2018, from the official Tesla account. https://vimeo.com/192179726 https://vimeo.com/192179726 It starts with the words "The person in the driver's seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself." The rest of the video shows the car moving without the person touching the wheel. So yeah, I do indeed wonder where people have gotten the impression that it is OK to take your hands off the wheel in a Tesla-make car.