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$549/mo lease on a Tesla model 3 + $199/mo for FSD could surely buy a lot of Uber/Lyft rides -- with the added benefit that you could drive drunk and don't need

by ukoki 5y ago

$549/mo lease on a Tesla model 3 + $199/mo for FSD could surely buy a lot of Uber/Lyft rides -- with the added benefit that you could drive drunk and don't need a parking space.

relyks 5y ago
If the car is fully self-driving though, you won't need a parking space. The car will drive itself back home and you'll request the car to come back when you want to be picked up lol
- sen 5y ago
  And when the cars CAN drive themselves home, maybe it’ll be worth it. But right now you’re paying $200/mth for a slightly-better cruise control.
- fuzxi 5y ago
  Ehh, is it worth doubling the fuel use + wear and tear?
- Crosseye_Jack 5y ago
  I live 20-30 mins from the nearest large city. If the car was waiting for me to summon it at the parking space I own it would take that long for me to get my ride home at the end of the night. Sure I could summon it earlier but who micro manages their time like that? Parking it closed so I have a lower waiting time means parking it in a spot I do not own which usually requires compensation to the person who does. The closer you live to the city the cost of land increases, so for those living real close to the city having a parking space they own or even have the right to use is not always a given. And even if you do, the space often increases the cost of the home which is a cost you can recoup if giving up the car. The car needs to be “somewhere” when it’s not in use by you. Elons plan is that is once the car is fully autonomous it can be out earning you money as an auto taxi (doubt that would be a thing where I live, at least not right away, the only way Uber is allowed to operate here is by only allowing drivers who are already licensed taxi drivers). So it will always be a time - cost trade off. The closer the car is parked near you, the less time you will have to wait for it to be summoned, however the closer the car is parked to you the more it will cost you in parking charges. If you are pimping out your own car as an auto taxi you might be making money while your having fun with friends but you might have to wait an hour for your own car if it just started giving some a ride home, they don’t want to pool even though they live just half a mile from your home.
  - MrRiddle 5y ago
    I assume people will order it to circle around the block until you’re ready to go back.
    - voakbasda 5y ago
      And that’s how you get laws prohibiting congestion…
    - Crosseye_Jack 5y ago
      Then the space it requires is just sitting on the road. the "empty space" is now just rolling instead of being stationary. How annoying is being stuck in traffic, now think how annoying it will be when the cars around you are empty. (granted, you wont know if an empty car next to you in traffic is "on its way home", "on its way to a pick up" or just looping for the sake of it.) IMO keeping an empty car moving just so you avoid parking fee's is fucking nuts. Not only are you tying up road space, you are wasting energy keeping the cars looping. Even airports don't keep bags looping on the conveyor belts during a layover, they stow them somewhere. For example Heathrow has something called "the early bag store" where they store bags https://youtu.be/WXF0uYdILGc?t=461 https://youtu.be/WXF0uYdILGc?t=461
- chrisbuc 5y ago
  At which point you might not care if its _your_ car. Any passing empty self drive car will do. Once you've got out of it, it can go and do other things. Reduced need to actually own a car, and fewer cars on the road (or parked) as empty car capacity can be fully utilised. Of course the lifespan of an individual vehicle will be reduced.
  - Someone 5y ago
    Fully utilized is highly unlikely. Certainly, if most people travel to work around 7-9 and from work around 16-18, and work and home locations aren’t uniformly distributed, you would end up with cars at office locations that have to go back to pick up people at home (assuming there’s time for a single car to do a double commute) Cars mostly spend their time in parking lots, but that also mostly happens at the same times and in the same locations. Also, I fear people will still care it is _their_ car. If not, what will replace it as a status symbol? Being able to summon a nicer ride might, but if we’re going to stratify self-driving cars, utilization will go down further.
- HWR_14 5y ago
  And if the car can fly than you don't have to worry about traffic. Is there a point to discussing hypothetical futures like that?
londons_explore 5y ago
I don't find Uber as convenient as my own car... In my own car, I have privacy... I can drive immediately rather than having to call one in advance... I can leave stuff in the car, play my own music, go up into the mountains, etc. I see there are advantages to Uber, but for most people, if ignoring all financial considerations, owning your own car wins in a lot of cases.
- PicassoCTs 5y ago
  The play your own music and customize your car to the owner is in theory transportable. Just sync your settings in a standard format and take that with you to whatever car you use.

by ukoki 5y ago

$549/mo lease on a Tesla model 3 + $199/mo for FSD could surely buy a lot of Uber/Lyft rides -- with the added benefit that you could drive drunk and don't need a parking space.

relyks 5y ago

If the car is fully self-driving though, you won't need a parking space. The car will drive itself back home and you'll request the car to come back when you want to be picked up lol

sen 5y ago
And when the cars CAN drive themselves home, maybe it’ll be worth it. But right now you’re paying $200/mth for a slightly-better cruise control.
fuzxi 5y ago
Ehh, is it worth doubling the fuel use + wear and tear?
Crosseye_Jack 5y ago
I live 20-30 mins from the nearest large city. If the car was waiting for me to summon it at the parking space I own it would take that long for me to get my ride home at the end of the night. Sure I could summon it earlier but who micro manages their time like that? Parking it closed so I have a lower waiting time means parking it in a spot I do not own which usually requires compensation to the person who does. The closer you live to the city the cost of land increases, so for those living real close to the city having a parking space they own or even have the right to use is not always a given. And even if you do, the space often increases the cost of the home which is a cost you can recoup if giving up the car. The car needs to be “somewhere” when it’s not in use by you. Elons plan is that is once the car is fully autonomous it can be out earning you money as an auto taxi (doubt that would be a thing where I live, at least not right away, the only way Uber is allowed to operate here is by only allowing drivers who are already licensed taxi drivers). So it will always be a time - cost trade off. The closer the car is parked near you, the less time you will have to wait for it to be summoned, however the closer the car is parked to you the more it will cost you in parking charges. If you are pimping out your own car as an auto taxi you might be making money while your having fun with friends but you might have to wait an hour for your own car if it just started giving some a ride home, they don’t want to pool even though they live just half a mile from your home.
- MrRiddle 5y ago
  I assume people will order it to circle around the block until you’re ready to go back.
  - voakbasda 5y ago
    And that’s how you get laws prohibiting congestion…
  - Crosseye_Jack 5y ago
    Then the space it requires is just sitting on the road. the "empty space" is now just rolling instead of being stationary. How annoying is being stuck in traffic, now think how annoying it will be when the cars around you are empty. (granted, you wont know if an empty car next to you in traffic is "on its way home", "on its way to a pick up" or just looping for the sake of it.) IMO keeping an empty car moving just so you avoid parking fee's is fucking nuts. Not only are you tying up road space, you are wasting energy keeping the cars looping. Even airports don't keep bags looping on the conveyor belts during a layover, they stow them somewhere. For example Heathrow has something called "the early bag store" where they store bags https://youtu.be/WXF0uYdILGc?t=461 https://youtu.be/WXF0uYdILGc?t=461
chrisbuc 5y ago
At which point you might not care if its _your_ car. Any passing empty self drive car will do. Once you've got out of it, it can go and do other things. Reduced need to actually own a car, and fewer cars on the road (or parked) as empty car capacity can be fully utilised. Of course the lifespan of an individual vehicle will be reduced.
- Someone 5y ago
  Fully utilized is highly unlikely. Certainly, if most people travel to work around 7-9 and from work around 16-18, and work and home locations aren’t uniformly distributed, you would end up with cars at office locations that have to go back to pick up people at home (assuming there’s time for a single car to do a double commute) Cars mostly spend their time in parking lots, but that also mostly happens at the same times and in the same locations. Also, I fear people will still care it is _their_ car. If not, what will replace it as a status symbol? Being able to summon a nicer ride might, but if we’re going to stratify self-driving cars, utilization will go down further.
HWR_14 5y ago
And if the car can fly than you don't have to worry about traffic. Is there a point to discussing hypothetical futures like that?

londons_explore 5y ago

I don't find Uber as convenient as my own car... In my own car, I have privacy... I can drive immediately rather than having to call one in advance... I can leave stuff in the car, play my own music, go up into the mountains, etc. I see there are advantages to Uber, but for most people, if ignoring all financial considerations, owning your own car wins in a lot of cases.

PicassoCTs 5y ago
The play your own music and customize your car to the owner is in theory transportable. Just sync your settings in a standard format and take that with you to whatever car you use.