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As a hobbyist, I’ve wondered if the need for umpteen epochs just leads many nets to memorize datasets, especially when the performance jumps a lot from one epoc

As a hobbyist, I’ve wondered if the need for umpteen epochs just leads many nets to memorize datasets, especially when the performance jumps a lot from one epoch to another without much change during batches. It’s kind of disconcerting for those of us who don’t have millions of source images to train with.

wxnx 5y ago
I think the evidence is pretty much in on that -- namely, yes, if your data is too small, a reasonably large neural net (a.k.a. basically any computer vision model from the last 3-4 years) is perfectly capable of memorizing the training images. The relative success of attacks on nets to extract their training data support that this happens in practice too. Generalization performance as it stands now always has to be evaluated empirically.
dheera 5y ago
The normal way to combat this is to have a training set and a validation set, use the validation images in forward pass to measure the performance of the network as it is being trained, but NOT use images from the validation set in updating the training weights. Basically, evaluate the performance of the network on the validation set, but train it on the training set, and adjust your network structure and hyperparameters accordingly. Networks that "memorize images" will perform poorly.
- enkid 5y ago
  How does a large company with million if images make sure there aren't very similar copies in not the training set and validation set? Seems like you could be accidentally over training if there's a lot of copies of very similar images. (For example, there's going to be a lot more pictures of the Taco Bell Chihuahua compared to other Chihuahuas, and possibly some of those pictures have enough similarity to make over fitting possible.
  - IfOnlyYouKnew 5y ago
    That’s fine… Randomly similar photos will occur in the real world just as much, so the good results for these will carry over.
  - dheera 5y ago
    First of all having millions of images is of itself a good way to combat overfitting. But yes, you touch upon a very important point, that is the dataset must be sufficiently diverse. To be fair, humans have this problem as well; if I showed you an octagonal red sign that had the words "GO" inscribed in the middle you may still mistake it for a stop sign at first.

wxnx 5y ago

I think the evidence is pretty much in on that -- namely, yes, if your data is too small, a reasonably large neural net (a.k.a. basically any computer vision model from the last 3-4 years) is perfectly capable of memorizing the training images. The relative success of attacks on nets to extract their training data support that this happens in practice too. Generalization performance as it stands now always has to be evaluated empirically.

dheera 5y ago

The normal way to combat this is to have a training set and a validation set, use the validation images in forward pass to measure the performance of the network as it is being trained, but NOT use images from the validation set in updating the training weights. Basically, evaluate the performance of the network on the validation set, but train it on the training set, and adjust your network structure and hyperparameters accordingly. Networks that "memorize images" will perform poorly.

enkid 5y ago
How does a large company with million if images make sure there aren't very similar copies in not the training set and validation set? Seems like you could be accidentally over training if there's a lot of copies of very similar images. (For example, there's going to be a lot more pictures of the Taco Bell Chihuahua compared to other Chihuahuas, and possibly some of those pictures have enough similarity to make over fitting possible.
- IfOnlyYouKnew 5y ago
  That’s fine… Randomly similar photos will occur in the real world just as much, so the good results for these will carry over.
- dheera 5y ago
  First of all having millions of images is of itself a good way to combat overfitting. But yes, you touch upon a very important point, that is the dataset must be sufficiently diverse. To be fair, humans have this problem as well; if I showed you an octagonal red sign that had the words "GO" inscribed in the middle you may still mistake it for a stop sign at first.