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I actually think getting deep fake stuff to the public is the way to go. Basically anyone can create a deep fake. It is far better to get the public used to the

I actually think getting deep fake stuff to the public is the way to go. Basically anyone can create a deep fake. It is far better to get the public used to the idea of deep fakes so they can develop some immunity to it.

duxup 5y ago
I'm not sure that when you go down that rabbit hole folks will believe much at all... I don't want to go down the rabbit hole here but everyone hears about 'fake news', they know what it is, they just label things they don't like 'fake news'. I'm not sure that's helping. Either way we are going to find out.
- nemo44x 5y ago
  It will get really fun when one side has the "experts" on their side and can have them vouch for the authenticity of something.
  - nsxwolf 5y ago
    We are there already with "fact checks". When someone sees a "fact check" pop up on something they post on Facebook, they just say "See? I knew I was right"
tejtm 5y ago
I expect it will go as well as our collective immunity to advertising and other propaganda.
inlikealamb 5y ago
We've had Photoshop for 3 decades and airbrushing for even longer and it's had far-reaching impacts across society... no one is really immune to it because it isn't obvious and it has arguably poisoned realistic ideals around body image. IMO we need to mandate disclosures around deepfakes. It's impossible on a peer-to-peer level, but commercially it should be clearly disclosed.
- autoexec 5y ago
  We don't get immunity to photoshop in the "I can tell from some of the pixels" sense, but we gain immunity in the sense that we no longer accept every image as representing absolute truth. Plenty of people today still think that video manipulation more sophisticated than an instagram filter takes a Hollywood budget or a lot of expertise. Once people get more experience seeing and creating deepfakes on their own they'll be less trusting of random videos they see in the future
  - jackpirate 5y ago
    we gain immunity in the sense that we no longer accept every image as representing absolute truth GPs whole point about body image is that, as a society, we don't have that immunity. Basically no one has a healthy ideal of what a good body image is because we never even get to see them.
    - autoexec 5y ago
      The fact that media can so effectively influence our view of an ideal body has little to do with our awareness about photo manipulation. We know full well photos are touched up and fake. In fact we're at the point now where millions of people are so aware of it that they are routinely editing their own photos to match whatever the ideal being pushed at us in the moment is. Maybe that's "instagram face" or giant asses, hell I remember when it was heroin chic. The point is that we all know it's fake. It just doesn't matter because media tells us what to like/want regardless.
      - inlikealamb 5y ago
        I disagree! photo manipulation plays a starring role in how pervasive and insidious these ideas are... I can turn off the TV and avoid movies, but I can't avoid ads, billboards, grocery stores, direct mail, you name it... it's everywhere. I live alone, and if I go into town there's a good chance I'll see more doctored photos of people than I see actual people (depending on how busy things are, which is usually not very).

duxup 5y ago

I'm not sure that when you go down that rabbit hole folks will believe much at all... I don't want to go down the rabbit hole here but everyone hears about 'fake news', they know what it is, they just label things they don't like 'fake news'. I'm not sure that's helping. Either way we are going to find out.

nemo44x 5y ago
It will get really fun when one side has the "experts" on their side and can have them vouch for the authenticity of something.
- nsxwolf 5y ago
  We are there already with "fact checks". When someone sees a "fact check" pop up on something they post on Facebook, they just say "See? I knew I was right"

tejtm 5y ago

I expect it will go as well as our collective immunity to advertising and other propaganda.

inlikealamb 5y ago

We've had Photoshop for 3 decades and airbrushing for even longer and it's had far-reaching impacts across society... no one is really immune to it because it isn't obvious and it has arguably poisoned realistic ideals around body image. IMO we need to mandate disclosures around deepfakes. It's impossible on a peer-to-peer level, but commercially it should be clearly disclosed.

autoexec 5y ago
We don't get immunity to photoshop in the "I can tell from some of the pixels" sense, but we gain immunity in the sense that we no longer accept every image as representing absolute truth. Plenty of people today still think that video manipulation more sophisticated than an instagram filter takes a Hollywood budget or a lot of expertise. Once people get more experience seeing and creating deepfakes on their own they'll be less trusting of random videos they see in the future
- jackpirate 5y ago
  we gain immunity in the sense that we no longer accept every image as representing absolute truth GPs whole point about body image is that, as a society, we don't have that immunity. Basically no one has a healthy ideal of what a good body image is because we never even get to see them.
  - autoexec 5y ago
    The fact that media can so effectively influence our view of an ideal body has little to do with our awareness about photo manipulation. We know full well photos are touched up and fake. In fact we're at the point now where millions of people are so aware of it that they are routinely editing their own photos to match whatever the ideal being pushed at us in the moment is. Maybe that's "instagram face" or giant asses, hell I remember when it was heroin chic. The point is that we all know it's fake. It just doesn't matter because media tells us what to like/want regardless.
    - inlikealamb 5y ago
      I disagree! photo manipulation plays a starring role in how pervasive and insidious these ideas are... I can turn off the TV and avoid movies, but I can't avoid ads, billboards, grocery stores, direct mail, you name it... it's everywhere. I live alone, and if I go into town there's a good chance I'll see more doctored photos of people than I see actual people (depending on how busy things are, which is usually not very).