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As if these initiatives were born in isolation, and not in response to a decade of obstructionist, blatantly hypocritical bullshit? What a whitewashed statement

As if these initiatives were born in isolation, and not in response to a decade of obstructionist, blatantly hypocritical bullshit? What a whitewashed statement.

roenxi 5y ago
In recent history they twice attempted to remove a sitting president. One of the votes could be considered a strong bipartisan rebuke of Trump because several Republicans (ie, low single digits) voted with the Democrats. The next election confirmed Trump had one of the largest support bases in history by number of votes and lost a fairly tight election to Biden (noting that US elections are determined by swing states, not absolute vote counts). There was at least a shade of un-democracy in those impeachments. The Democrats weren't implementing the will of the people there, it is pretty clear they were trying to implement the will of Democratic people and override the results that the system had come up with.
- tablespoon 5y ago
  > There was at least a shade of un-democracy in those impeachments. The Democrats weren't implementing the will of the people there, it is pretty clear they were trying to implement the will of Democratic people and override the results that the system had come up with. That's a bad read of the situation. While the impeachments did have a partisan aspect, they were also totally warranted from a non-partisan perspective, given Trump's actual behavior. Honestly, the more shamelessly partisan thing was how Republicans didn't go along with the impeachment, but rather gave Trump a full throated defense, just because he had an R next to his name (at the time).
  - roenxi 5y ago
    Well, the first impeachment it turned out with hindsight that there were shady business dealings in Ukraine linked to the Bidens, so that behaviour is pretty easy to defend. The US already had an active investigation underway. It made a lot of sense to ask the Ukranians to cooperate.
- thatswrong0 5y ago
  Delusional.

As if these initiatives were born in isolation, and not in response to a decade of obstructionist, blatantly hypocritical bullshit? What a whitewashed statement.

roenxi 5y ago

In recent history they twice attempted to remove a sitting president. One of the votes could be considered a strong bipartisan rebuke of Trump because several Republicans (ie, low single digits) voted with the Democrats. The next election confirmed Trump had one of the largest support bases in history by number of votes and lost a fairly tight election to Biden (noting that US elections are determined by swing states, not absolute vote counts). There was at least a shade of un-democracy in those impeachments. The Democrats weren't implementing the will of the people there, it is pretty clear they were trying to implement the will of Democratic people and override the results that the system had come up with.

tablespoon 5y ago
> There was at least a shade of un-democracy in those impeachments. The Democrats weren't implementing the will of the people there, it is pretty clear they were trying to implement the will of Democratic people and override the results that the system had come up with. That's a bad read of the situation. While the impeachments did have a partisan aspect, they were also totally warranted from a non-partisan perspective, given Trump's actual behavior. Honestly, the more shamelessly partisan thing was how Republicans didn't go along with the impeachment, but rather gave Trump a full throated defense, just because he had an R next to his name (at the time).
- roenxi 5y ago
  Well, the first impeachment it turned out with hindsight that there were shady business dealings in Ukraine linked to the Bidens, so that behaviour is pretty easy to defend. The US already had an active investigation underway. It made a lot of sense to ask the Ukranians to cooperate.
thatswrong0 5y ago
Delusional.