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> Actual public safety is an afterthought Are we talking about the people who participated in a violent insurrection against the US, or is this another group?

> Actual public safety is an afterthought Are we talking about the people who participated in a violent insurrection against the US, or is this another group? If you want to have nice things (eg: a democracy) then you can’t be letting people who commit some mild treason off just because they’re dumbasses who got caught up in the moment. The next yahoo who decides they want to try and block the peaceful transfer of power needs to 100% understand that they will be prosecuted.

adolph 5y ago
The parent comment says they "plead guilty to trespassing or similar petty nonsense" so I'd assume they weren't charged with "violent insurrection" and "mild treason."
- peteretep 5y ago
  And they got Capone for tax evasion. Brushing off a conviction under 18 U.S. Code § 1752 -- which seems to be what people are being charged[0] with -- as "petty nonsense" is itself misleading, as it's the part of law that deals with "PRESIDENTIAL AND PRESIDENTIAL STAFF ASSASSINATION, KIDNAPPING, AND ASSAULT"[1] [0] https://www.insider.com/all-the-us-capitol-pro-trump-riot-arrests-charges-names-2021-1 https://www.insider.com/all-the-us-capitol-pro-trump-riot-ar... [1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/part-I/chapter-84 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/part-I/chapter-84
  - adolph 5y ago
    I’d agree that reality is likely somewhere between “petty trespassing” and “violent insurrection.”
    - peteretep 5y ago
      If you don't think the goal was violent insurrection then what, specifically, do you think the people were doing there? They were protesting just fine outside of Congress, why did they go into congress? Why were they trying to find Nancy Pelosi? Why did the Capitol police think they needed to use deadly force?
      - blooalien 5y ago
        > "Why did the Capitol police think they needed to use deadly force?" Might have had something to do with the violent death threats some of the invading fools were shouting…
        peteretep 5y ago
        Yes, that’s definitely the implication
      - adolph 5y ago
        Why did that dude dress up in face paint and a Buffalo hide? I don’t know and suppose the answer wouldn’t be coherent anyway. Why do people protest anything? Nothing changes. It’s a futile effort. Why did that capitol cop shoot that lady thru a window? Cops gunna cop and they always lie about it afterwards. Probably needs de-escalation training.

adolph 5y ago

The parent comment says they "plead guilty to trespassing or similar petty nonsense" so I'd assume they weren't charged with "violent insurrection" and "mild treason."

peteretep 5y ago
And they got Capone for tax evasion. Brushing off a conviction under 18 U.S. Code § 1752 -- which seems to be what people are being charged[0] with -- as "petty nonsense" is itself misleading, as it's the part of law that deals with "PRESIDENTIAL AND PRESIDENTIAL STAFF ASSASSINATION, KIDNAPPING, AND ASSAULT"[1] [0] https://www.insider.com/all-the-us-capitol-pro-trump-riot-arrests-charges-names-2021-1 https://www.insider.com/all-the-us-capitol-pro-trump-riot-ar... [1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/part-I/chapter-84 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/part-I/chapter-84
- adolph 5y ago
  I’d agree that reality is likely somewhere between “petty trespassing” and “violent insurrection.”
  - peteretep 5y ago
    If you don't think the goal was violent insurrection then what, specifically, do you think the people were doing there? They were protesting just fine outside of Congress, why did they go into congress? Why were they trying to find Nancy Pelosi? Why did the Capitol police think they needed to use deadly force?
    - blooalien 5y ago
      > "Why did the Capitol police think they needed to use deadly force?" Might have had something to do with the violent death threats some of the invading fools were shouting…
      - peteretep 5y ago
        Yes, that’s definitely the implication
    - adolph 5y ago
      Why did that dude dress up in face paint and a Buffalo hide? I don’t know and suppose the answer wouldn’t be coherent anyway. Why do people protest anything? Nothing changes. It’s a futile effort. Why did that capitol cop shoot that lady thru a window? Cops gunna cop and they always lie about it afterwards. Probably needs de-escalation training.