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I support decriminalization, but I'm completely against its use. It makes you less intelligent, both in the short term and long term. I've experienced it myself

I support decriminalization, but I'm completely against its use. It makes you less intelligent, both in the short term and long term. I've experienced it myself and seen close friends get lost in a haze of confusion, drop out of college, and mess up their lives. It's especially dangerous for teenagers and college students, which seem to be the main demographic that uses it.

herbst 5y ago
I dropped out of gymnasium and spent 2 years doing nothing and enjoying life with 14 or 15. Mostly smoking weed and taking other drugs. I am sure most people from then believe I live on the street by now. Some years later I finished school, got a diploma, worked a few years and now I am self employed and have more free time than anyone else I know. I love the job I created for myself and I contribute this in parts to being a little rebel. Pretty sure my IQ has not dropped yet either All while still taking drugs. IMO the factors you mention are environmental and not directly related to drug use.
- ceilingcorner 5y ago
  Sorry but I can't say I agree. Cannabis has a noticeable effect on intelligence and cognition. This is scientific fact. It has nothing to do with succeeding economically or getting a good job. That is a separate thing from "being intelligent."
  - herbst 5y ago
    I did IQ tests at 16 and 28 and had pretty much the same result. And that's IQ my social intelligence definitely got better, given that I am a slightly autistic anti social to begin with. The only recent study I find that mentions a lower IQ explicitly talks about teenager use and that it has non or little effect on grown up brains in terms of intelligence However we are going even more offtopic here. We can agree to not agree :)
    - ceilingcorner 5y ago
      The first google result: > January 28, 2021 > Frequent cannabis use by young people linked to decline in IQ > A study has found that adolescents who frequently use cannabis may experience a decline in Intelligence Quotient (IQ) over time. The findings of the research provide further insight into the harmful neurological and cognitive effects of frequent cannabis use on young people. > "Previous research tells us that young people who use cannabis frequently have worse outcomes in life than their peers and are at increased risk for serious mental illnesses like schizophrenia. Loss of IQ points early in life could have significant effects on performance in school and college and later employment prospects," commented senior author on the paper Professor Mary Cannon, Professor of Psychiatric Epidemiology and Youth Mental Health, RCSI. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/01/210128134755.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/01/210128134755.h... This is not really something one can "agree to disagree" about, unless you wish to dispense of the entire scientific method.
      - herbst 5y ago
        Did you just agree that it does usually not affect adults? Just to clearify, I, and I think most cannabis smokers, by now know that it was stupid to start young. But these studies do not imply a healthy adult loosing IQ points somehow by smoking weed
        ceilingcorner 5y ago
        Is that what I wrote? No. The evidence shows that users of cannabis that began as teenagers have negative IQ consequences as adults. > But these studies do not imply a healthy adult loosing IQ points somehow by smoking weed It's unclear if starting as an adult has the same effect.
        herbst 5y ago
        If it's unclear or you have any reason to suggest it, why would you link a study that only looked into teenagers then? I am done with this convo, and happily will read into his later, but so far I have no idea where you are getting this idea from.

herbst 5y ago

I dropped out of gymnasium and spent 2 years doing nothing and enjoying life with 14 or 15. Mostly smoking weed and taking other drugs. I am sure most people from then believe I live on the street by now. Some years later I finished school, got a diploma, worked a few years and now I am self employed and have more free time than anyone else I know. I love the job I created for myself and I contribute this in parts to being a little rebel. Pretty sure my IQ has not dropped yet either All while still taking drugs. IMO the factors you mention are environmental and not directly related to drug use.

ceilingcorner 5y ago
Sorry but I can't say I agree. Cannabis has a noticeable effect on intelligence and cognition. This is scientific fact. It has nothing to do with succeeding economically or getting a good job. That is a separate thing from "being intelligent."
- herbst 5y ago
  I did IQ tests at 16 and 28 and had pretty much the same result. And that's IQ my social intelligence definitely got better, given that I am a slightly autistic anti social to begin with. The only recent study I find that mentions a lower IQ explicitly talks about teenager use and that it has non or little effect on grown up brains in terms of intelligence However we are going even more offtopic here. We can agree to not agree :)
  - ceilingcorner 5y ago
    The first google result: > January 28, 2021 > Frequent cannabis use by young people linked to decline in IQ > A study has found that adolescents who frequently use cannabis may experience a decline in Intelligence Quotient (IQ) over time. The findings of the research provide further insight into the harmful neurological and cognitive effects of frequent cannabis use on young people. > "Previous research tells us that young people who use cannabis frequently have worse outcomes in life than their peers and are at increased risk for serious mental illnesses like schizophrenia. Loss of IQ points early in life could have significant effects on performance in school and college and later employment prospects," commented senior author on the paper Professor Mary Cannon, Professor of Psychiatric Epidemiology and Youth Mental Health, RCSI. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/01/210128134755.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/01/210128134755.h... This is not really something one can "agree to disagree" about, unless you wish to dispense of the entire scientific method.
    - herbst 5y ago
      Did you just agree that it does usually not affect adults? Just to clearify, I, and I think most cannabis smokers, by now know that it was stupid to start young. But these studies do not imply a healthy adult loosing IQ points somehow by smoking weed
      - ceilingcorner 5y ago
        Is that what I wrote? No. The evidence shows that users of cannabis that began as teenagers have negative IQ consequences as adults. > But these studies do not imply a healthy adult loosing IQ points somehow by smoking weed It's unclear if starting as an adult has the same effect.
        herbst 5y ago
        If it's unclear or you have any reason to suggest it, why would you link a study that only looked into teenagers then? I am done with this convo, and happily will read into his later, but so far I have no idea where you are getting this idea from.