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I would support it being free for Type 1 diabetics. They had no say in their genetic lottery. Type 2 can pay for it themselves. Their condition was caused by

I would support it being free for Type 1 diabetics. They had no say in their genetic lottery. Type 2 can pay for it themselves. Their condition was caused by themselves.

beached_whale 5y ago
That's not true. Type-2 is genetic too and there are high performance athletes suffering from it. Just as you have very obese people without it.
- loonster 5y ago
  An obese person has 2x the probability of developing type 2 as a person of normal weight. Regardless of obesity, Type 2 can be managed with a low carb diet.
  - beached_whale 5y ago
    Also, false(to the later point), having type-2 still does damage to the beta cells and given time many will require insulin. Also, this still gets back to the OP placing blame on the individual based on ignorance. There are many reasons for an individual having a large mass, low insulin production, and insulin resistance. Low card can be part of it, but it's not a panacea, once an individual has diabetes, the damage has been done.
eropple 5y ago
People being squeezed for time and money by soul-crushing, self-grinding subsistence-level employment so that, tapped of executive function for the day, they buy a cheeseburger and fries, maybe collapse in front of YouTube to turn their brains off for a bit-- --those are the people you feel comfortable shitting on for their circumstances? (And there absolutely is a predisposition to Type 2 diabetes in some populations and not in others.)
- loonster 5y ago
  I see no need to subsidize their choices. Its not shitting on them, its just not enabling them. The vast majority of type 2 diabetics have a BMI >25. It is a user preventable disease. If for some reason they still have diabetes with a BMI <25, then subsidize it.
  - renewiltord 5y ago
    And this is exactly why I don't want universal healthcare in America. We'll need everyone to conform to a rigid interpretation of life. My BMI is 22, so I'm fine, but I also like riding a motorcycle. With UHC, suddenly folks like this will try to deny me care because I'm taking on non-normative risk. Fine, do so if you want, but I want to be tax-exempt. You can have your UHC, but you pay for it. But folks won't do this. Instead they want to take my money and then give it to themselves by denying me 'subsidies'. No thanks, I'll keep my money and give it to Anthem. No UHC in the USA.
  - eropple 5y ago
    The vast majority of type 2 diabetics--and the vast majority of Americans--live in a existentially threatening mess of financial crisis and mind-melting advertising and pressure on a thousand axes that didn't exist a century ago and are being ground into powder to enable a thin film of the truly rich to live like kings and to enable people in the computing class to live lives of only moderate precarity. I dunno, it just doesn't seem all that hard to have have some really simple baseline humanity for the grist in the mill trying to find a moment of respite in something bad for them--ingrained literally decades before and in plenty of cases before they had the personal automony to decide for themselves. Even if their BMI is over 25, heaven forfend.

I would support it being free for Type 1 diabetics. They had no say in their genetic lottery. Type 2 can pay for it themselves. Their condition was caused by themselves.

beached_whale 5y ago

That's not true. Type-2 is genetic too and there are high performance athletes suffering from it. Just as you have very obese people without it.

loonster 5y ago
An obese person has 2x the probability of developing type 2 as a person of normal weight. Regardless of obesity, Type 2 can be managed with a low carb diet.
- beached_whale 5y ago
  Also, false(to the later point), having type-2 still does damage to the beta cells and given time many will require insulin. Also, this still gets back to the OP placing blame on the individual based on ignorance. There are many reasons for an individual having a large mass, low insulin production, and insulin resistance. Low card can be part of it, but it's not a panacea, once an individual has diabetes, the damage has been done.

eropple 5y ago

People being squeezed for time and money by soul-crushing, self-grinding subsistence-level employment so that, tapped of executive function for the day, they buy a cheeseburger and fries, maybe collapse in front of YouTube to turn their brains off for a bit-- --those are the people you feel comfortable shitting on for their circumstances? (And there absolutely is a predisposition to Type 2 diabetes in some populations and not in others.)

loonster 5y ago
I see no need to subsidize their choices. Its not shitting on them, its just not enabling them. The vast majority of type 2 diabetics have a BMI >25. It is a user preventable disease. If for some reason they still have diabetes with a BMI <25, then subsidize it.
- renewiltord 5y ago
  And this is exactly why I don't want universal healthcare in America. We'll need everyone to conform to a rigid interpretation of life. My BMI is 22, so I'm fine, but I also like riding a motorcycle. With UHC, suddenly folks like this will try to deny me care because I'm taking on non-normative risk. Fine, do so if you want, but I want to be tax-exempt. You can have your UHC, but you pay for it. But folks won't do this. Instead they want to take my money and then give it to themselves by denying me 'subsidies'. No thanks, I'll keep my money and give it to Anthem. No UHC in the USA.
- eropple 5y ago
  The vast majority of type 2 diabetics--and the vast majority of Americans--live in a existentially threatening mess of financial crisis and mind-melting advertising and pressure on a thousand axes that didn't exist a century ago and are being ground into powder to enable a thin film of the truly rich to live like kings and to enable people in the computing class to live lives of only moderate precarity. I dunno, it just doesn't seem all that hard to have have some really simple baseline humanity for the grist in the mill trying to find a moment of respite in something bad for them--ingrained literally decades before and in plenty of cases before they had the personal automony to decide for themselves. Even if their BMI is over 25, heaven forfend.