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>And that your at-work trading app code would be influenced by ideas you have at home. Which is an issue legally. Who owns the code? Who needs the license to u

>And that your at-work trading app code would be influenced by ideas you have at home. Which is an issue legally. Who owns the code? Who needs the license to use it?

ryukafalz 5y ago
This being an issue seems weird. Surely your employment contract could include an extremely permissive license grant to your employer for any code you've written that you use at work, regardless of whether you own it or they do. That's much less intrusive than a noncompete.
- HWR_14 5y ago
  That seems like a strange clause I would want to include. I have (?) lines of code, as well as other IP. Why would hiring me for a year give them access to free license of all my IP? I saw something in Theranos's employee contract about granting a perpetual license to all the patents of the employees. I have no idea why that would be reasonable.
  - ryukafalz 5y ago
    The code that you used at work. If you make something outside work, and never actually use it in your employer's codebases, they don't get a license. Whatever you do use in your work at your employer, they do get a license to. Which seems fair IMO, and avoids the pitfall of "wait when did you write this and can we use it?" I'd much prefer this to a noncompete.
    - HWR_14 5y ago
      I understand what you're saying. But again, it seems strange to me that previously existing code/patents/IP would default to the company if you were directed to include it. It doesn't avoid the pitfall you suggested, it moves it so that it now becomes "think about it every time you are asked to do something at work" instead of "one time while signing a contract" And the Theranos contract had no such limitations (that I could see) of opting in to using it in the company. Just "we can use any of your patents you had at the time you worked here, thanks".
Scarblac 5y ago
There is no protection for ideas, only for authorship. So what you write at work is your work's, what you write elsewhere is not, by default.

>And that your at-work trading app code would be influenced by ideas you have at home. Which is an issue legally. Who owns the code? Who needs the license to use it?

ryukafalz 5y ago

This being an issue seems weird. Surely your employment contract could include an extremely permissive license grant to your employer for any code you've written that you use at work, regardless of whether you own it or they do. That's much less intrusive than a noncompete.

HWR_14 5y ago
That seems like a strange clause I would want to include. I have (?) lines of code, as well as other IP. Why would hiring me for a year give them access to free license of all my IP? I saw something in Theranos's employee contract about granting a perpetual license to all the patents of the employees. I have no idea why that would be reasonable.
- ryukafalz 5y ago
  The code that you used at work. If you make something outside work, and never actually use it in your employer's codebases, they don't get a license. Whatever you do use in your work at your employer, they do get a license to. Which seems fair IMO, and avoids the pitfall of "wait when did you write this and can we use it?" I'd much prefer this to a noncompete.
  - HWR_14 5y ago
    I understand what you're saying. But again, it seems strange to me that previously existing code/patents/IP would default to the company if you were directed to include it. It doesn't avoid the pitfall you suggested, it moves it so that it now becomes "think about it every time you are asked to do something at work" instead of "one time while signing a contract" And the Theranos contract had no such limitations (that I could see) of opting in to using it in the company. Just "we can use any of your patents you had at the time you worked here, thanks".

Scarblac 5y ago

There is no protection for ideas, only for authorship. So what you write at work is your work's, what you write elsewhere is not, by default.