Agreed. C++ passed the complexity threshold (where it's "worth it") for me a while back. I still use a subset of modern C++ when I'm doing something cross-plat

Agreed. C++ passed the complexity threshold (where it's "worth it") for me a while back. I still use a subset of modern C++ when I'm doing something cross-platform, and Qt helps, but it too often felt I was fighting a war on two fronts (the language, and the problem) when I was trying to keep up. So I gave up trying. And life is a lot happier now. As a Mac guy, I still think ObjC (yes, I know, you don't like the syntax) was pretty much at the optimal level of complexity and performance. Not as fast as C++ in general, but plenty fast enough for 99% of things. Wonderful standard library with Foundation, and ARC really works well - memory management just isn't a thing I have to think about when I'm using it. Swift ? Well, now I'm in the "I hate the syntax" camp :) I like my code to look neat (which is easy with C++ and C) and Swift just looks fugly to me.