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Australia Covid outbreak: Delta variant cases rise among fully vaccinated people

10 points by AndrewBissell 5y ago

underseacables 5y ago
The question that arouse louder as I read this article was when will the next vaccine come out, snd the next, and the next? It made me wonder if this virus is going to be a game of political whack a mole: New variant, people panic and demand action, so government pressures drug makers to make a new vaccine, which is then mandated. I sure hope drug makers don’t suddenly decide that vaccines are profitable, I would hate to start seeing commercials on television for the vaccine of the week.
- Proven 5y ago
  > New variant, people panic and demand action Why would they panic and demand action? TFA says vaccinated people mostly don't get infected by new variants, and who do are asymptomatic or have mild symptoms. > I sure hope drug makers don’t suddenly decide that vaccines are profitable, I would hate to start seeing commercials on television for the vaccine of the week. So what if they decide whatever they want and advertise? Don't watch commercials. They can't force you to do do anything. It's amazing how HN readers tend to worry about the wrong things (such as capitalism and Covid, for example). The things you should worry about are governments and international organizations, but that's precisely what you aren't worried about. Who's more likely to make you take a new vaccine every year, Joe Biden or the CEO of a vaccine maker?
- mrkramer 5y ago
  I feel like attacking a virus this aggressively worldwide with a vaccine was a mistake since it will make the virus more resilient and resistant and spark thousands of new variants or in another words speed up its evolution and possibly cause and make a super virus. Masks, social distancing and washing hands was and is enough. Maybe vaccine should've been rolled out more slowly not everywhere at once.
  - AndrewBissell 5y ago
    > I feel like attacking a virus this aggressively worldwide with a vaccine was a mistake since it will make the virus more resilient and resistant and spark thousands of new variants or in another words speed up its evolution and possibly cause and make a super virus. One of the things that made the second wave of Spanish flu so lethal was that the normal rules of viral transmission were upended by World War I. Ordinarily, the normal course of viral mutation is for the less lethal strain to be preferentially spread. Instead, soldiers in the trenches who became very ill were sent on trains to crowded hospitals, while those who developed mild cases stayed where they were. I don't want to say it's likely that mass vaccination might have a similar adverse effect, but it seems possible.
  - sschueller 5y ago
    I'm not sure about that. Isn't there also a fine line where a virus becomes so deadly that it can no longer spread effectively before killing the host or becoming "harmless" yet spread much better and more effective than a deadlier version? I remember reading not long ago about a study that showed the common cold is so dominant that I can prevent covid from replicating in an infected person.
  - robscallsign 5y ago
    I mean... a lot of countries already do a yearly influenza vaccine
    - mrkramer 5y ago
      Yea but not everybody gets vaccinated. Immunologists today are promoting that everybody should get vaccinated against Covid. Maybe not everybody but vast majority of people that's what they say.
DoreenMichele 5y ago
In New South Wales, a nurse at Westmead Hospital tested positive on Tuesday despite being fully vaccinated and wearing personal protective equipment while working in a Covid-19 ward. So someone with very high exposure for whom no amount of being careful is likely to ever be enough. This sounds less concerning than the framing of the title. I hope that we continue to promote self-checkout registers, low or no contact takeout at eateries and other best practices for germ control that are not an undue hardship. I hope the one takeaway we get from the pandemic is that we need to be generally more careful about germ control in a world with roughly 8 billion people. But I think we sometimes focus our hand-wringing in the wrong places.
- totony 5y ago
  Too much germ control could be counter productive. See https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2841828/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2841828/

10 points by AndrewBissell 5y ago

The question that arouse louder as I read this article was when will the next vaccine come out, snd the next, and the next? It made me wonder if this virus is going to be a game of political whack a mole: New variant, people panic and demand action, so government pressures drug makers to make a new vaccine, which is then mandated. I sure hope drug makers don’t suddenly decide that vaccines are profitable, I would hate to start seeing commercials on television for the vaccine of the week.

Proven 5y ago
> New variant, people panic and demand action Why would they panic and demand action? TFA says vaccinated people mostly don't get infected by new variants, and who do are asymptomatic or have mild symptoms. > I sure hope drug makers don’t suddenly decide that vaccines are profitable, I would hate to start seeing commercials on television for the vaccine of the week. So what if they decide whatever they want and advertise? Don't watch commercials. They can't force you to do do anything. It's amazing how HN readers tend to worry about the wrong things (such as capitalism and Covid, for example). The things you should worry about are governments and international organizations, but that's precisely what you aren't worried about. Who's more likely to make you take a new vaccine every year, Joe Biden or the CEO of a vaccine maker?
mrkramer 5y ago
I feel like attacking a virus this aggressively worldwide with a vaccine was a mistake since it will make the virus more resilient and resistant and spark thousands of new variants or in another words speed up its evolution and possibly cause and make a super virus. Masks, social distancing and washing hands was and is enough. Maybe vaccine should've been rolled out more slowly not everywhere at once.
- AndrewBissell 5y ago
  > I feel like attacking a virus this aggressively worldwide with a vaccine was a mistake since it will make the virus more resilient and resistant and spark thousands of new variants or in another words speed up its evolution and possibly cause and make a super virus. One of the things that made the second wave of Spanish flu so lethal was that the normal rules of viral transmission were upended by World War I. Ordinarily, the normal course of viral mutation is for the less lethal strain to be preferentially spread. Instead, soldiers in the trenches who became very ill were sent on trains to crowded hospitals, while those who developed mild cases stayed where they were. I don't want to say it's likely that mass vaccination might have a similar adverse effect, but it seems possible.
- sschueller 5y ago
  I'm not sure about that. Isn't there also a fine line where a virus becomes so deadly that it can no longer spread effectively before killing the host or becoming "harmless" yet spread much better and more effective than a deadlier version? I remember reading not long ago about a study that showed the common cold is so dominant that I can prevent covid from replicating in an infected person.
- robscallsign 5y ago
  I mean... a lot of countries already do a yearly influenza vaccine
  - mrkramer 5y ago
    Yea but not everybody gets vaccinated. Immunologists today are promoting that everybody should get vaccinated against Covid. Maybe not everybody but vast majority of people that's what they say.

DoreenMichele 5y ago

In New South Wales, a nurse at Westmead Hospital tested positive on Tuesday despite being fully vaccinated and wearing personal protective equipment while working in a Covid-19 ward. So someone with very high exposure for whom no amount of being careful is likely to ever be enough. This sounds less concerning than the framing of the title. I hope that we continue to promote self-checkout registers, low or no contact takeout at eateries and other best practices for germ control that are not an undue hardship. I hope the one takeaway we get from the pandemic is that we need to be generally more careful about germ control in a world with roughly 8 billion people. But I think we sometimes focus our hand-wringing in the wrong places.

totony 5y ago
Too much germ control could be counter productive. See https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2841828/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2841828/