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Great illustration of why respect for individual rights is so important. There will always be some megalomaniac, whether dictator, president, cop, or some auth

Great illustration of why respect for individual rights is so important. There will always be some megalomaniac, whether dictator, president, cop, or some authority figure, who "knows best". Individual rights are the brakes. They're the lines we've agreed not to cross as a society, even when we're really sure we "know best". Example: property rights. No matter how sure you are that there's stolen property in the building, even law enforcement doesn't get to enter without a warrant. Individual rights limit what others can do.

joyeuse6701 5y ago
Agreed, which, as an aside, is why the civil forfeiture issue is such a scandal
manquer 5y ago
It may not be that simple. Imagine if each of your cells had individual rights or every bee in a hive has freedom to do its own thing. Sometimes (most?) having centralized systems of power can be misused but that doesn't mean that centralized systems shouldn't be tried, there are evolutionary advantages to them.
- infogulch 5y ago
  I don't know what your point is, GP's comment already mentions a case where authority can intrude on individual rights: warrants, and there are many additional exceptions. The point of this system is not to make individuals untouchable, its to lift the authority to intrude on personal liberties out of the hands of individual beat cops and into a well-defined system and public observable record through the courts.
- airstrike 5y ago
  The problem with analogies is they're not really accurate. Cells or bees have nothing to do with the wrongfully imprisoned minors in question.
  - autoexec 5y ago
    Just like a broken clock analogies can be accurate some of the time.
- chaps 5y ago
  This is a breath takingly disgusting over simplification and you know it. How am I not surprised that you're the founder and CTO of a proctoring company that does facial recognition + AI to detect lying with "100% unbiased results". Fucking gross, man.
  - anon9001 5y ago
    Wow, you are not kidding. > Based on established models such as Big 5 and intrinsic values, TBI adds AI-powered Natural Language Processing to process data and help you make unbiased hiring decisions 100% of the time. > TBI stack ranks candidates according to their performance in the assessment with regards to the competencies predetermined by the enterprise, ranging from 'essential' to 'good' and then 'critical'. > Leverage psycholinguistics to analyze a candidate’s response and predict behavior in half the time. So this company has layered AI on top of pseudoscience and is selling it as an automated hiring tool. I guess the hiring decisions are 100% unbiased if the results are indistinguishable from noise? Or maybe your hiring decisions are "unbiased" if you launder them through this software to produce a team that looks like your existing team? Either way, this Talview company is doing some really evil stuff.
    - a1369209993 5y ago
      > I guess the hiring decisions are 100% unbiased if the results are indistinguishable from noise? To be fair, that is actually true, although I don't think that's the (false) claim they're actually making.
  - manquer 5y ago
    A response/critique to my comment is one thing. A personal attack is not appropriate for this forum. I wouldn't have a made personal attack on you even if you had put what is you do in your profile. FWIW I am proud of what I build, our products for half a decade have helped people to be able to take assesments from their home, whether it's disabilities or those cannot lose time on their jobs or would have to travel hundreds of miles just to an exam center to be certified. I am proud to have helped all of them. There are plenty of discussions to be had on universities or certification bodies insisting on stringent requirements to do remote assesments to protect their integrity but a personal attack is not really the way to engage on this topic

joyeuse6701 5y ago

Agreed, which, as an aside, is why the civil forfeiture issue is such a scandal

manquer 5y ago

It may not be that simple. Imagine if each of your cells had individual rights or every bee in a hive has freedom to do its own thing. Sometimes (most?) having centralized systems of power can be misused but that doesn't mean that centralized systems shouldn't be tried, there are evolutionary advantages to them.

infogulch 5y ago
I don't know what your point is, GP's comment already mentions a case where authority can intrude on individual rights: warrants, and there are many additional exceptions. The point of this system is not to make individuals untouchable, its to lift the authority to intrude on personal liberties out of the hands of individual beat cops and into a well-defined system and public observable record through the courts.
airstrike 5y ago
The problem with analogies is they're not really accurate. Cells or bees have nothing to do with the wrongfully imprisoned minors in question.
- autoexec 5y ago
  Just like a broken clock analogies can be accurate some of the time.
chaps 5y ago
This is a breath takingly disgusting over simplification and you know it. How am I not surprised that you're the founder and CTO of a proctoring company that does facial recognition + AI to detect lying with "100% unbiased results". Fucking gross, man.
- anon9001 5y ago
  Wow, you are not kidding. > Based on established models such as Big 5 and intrinsic values, TBI adds AI-powered Natural Language Processing to process data and help you make unbiased hiring decisions 100% of the time. > TBI stack ranks candidates according to their performance in the assessment with regards to the competencies predetermined by the enterprise, ranging from 'essential' to 'good' and then 'critical'. > Leverage psycholinguistics to analyze a candidate’s response and predict behavior in half the time. So this company has layered AI on top of pseudoscience and is selling it as an automated hiring tool. I guess the hiring decisions are 100% unbiased if the results are indistinguishable from noise? Or maybe your hiring decisions are "unbiased" if you launder them through this software to produce a team that looks like your existing team? Either way, this Talview company is doing some really evil stuff.
  - a1369209993 5y ago
    > I guess the hiring decisions are 100% unbiased if the results are indistinguishable from noise? To be fair, that is actually true, although I don't think that's the (false) claim they're actually making.
- manquer 5y ago
  A response/critique to my comment is one thing. A personal attack is not appropriate for this forum. I wouldn't have a made personal attack on you even if you had put what is you do in your profile. FWIW I am proud of what I build, our products for half a decade have helped people to be able to take assesments from their home, whether it's disabilities or those cannot lose time on their jobs or would have to travel hundreds of miles just to an exam center to be certified. I am proud to have helped all of them. There are plenty of discussions to be had on universities or certification bodies insisting on stringent requirements to do remote assesments to protect their integrity but a personal attack is not really the way to engage on this topic