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Let's zoom out from the rights of that individual minor, too. If you believe in the role of police in society, you want kids to be able to trust them. You can't

by kixiQu 5y ago

Let's zoom out from the rights of that individual minor, too. If you believe in the role of police in society, you want kids to be able to trust them. You can't teach your kids to trust someone who may lie to them with horrific consequences.

Miner49er 5y ago
The police's rule in society is to enforce the law. I don't think they need kids to trust them to do that?
- adchari 5y ago
  Enforcing the law becomes a lot harder when a community lacks trust in you, and kids who don't trust police officers turn into adults who don't trust police officers, and teach their children the same thing.
- kixiQu 5y ago
  Bog-standard "if you get lost and separated from your parents" child-advice is to ask for help from exactly such figures as police, with the idea that this would protect them from ostensibly less savory options
  - jMyles 5y ago
    I certainly don't tell my child that, and I don't know of any American parents who do. Police represent the interests of the state, not the interests of my child.
    - kixiQu 5y ago
      > I don't know of any American parents who do. Really? https://www.allprodad.com/things-your-child-should-know-when-they-are-lost/ https://www.allprodad.com/things-your-child-should-know-when... > The best people to seek out would be the police, security guards, the fire department, and store management and employees. If these can’t be found, teach them to seek a mom with young children. http://achildsworldnc.com/teach-kids-case-get-lost/ http://achildsworldnc.com/teach-kids-case-get-lost/ > Advise children that if they need assistance they should only approach someone such as a security guard, police officer or someone who is clearly a member of the staff. I mean, I know these are just random internet things -- but I vaguely remember that advice even being in kids' books when I was growing up.
      - salawat 5y ago
        I remember receiving that advice as well, but would be less likely to perpetuate it given the frequency of weaponization of the State against parents. If I knew the community, I might advise the latter.
      - jMyles 5y ago
        > I mean, I know these are just random internet things -- but I vaguely remember that advice even being in kids' books when I was growing up. Yes, I think it used to be common. But I don't think it is nearly as much so now.
stronglikedan 5y ago
If you're teaching your children to trust police, you're doing them a disservice. They should be taught to respect authority figures that are not their direct family, but never, ever trust their intentions.
- kixiQu 5y ago
  Well, I don't really believe in the institution of police as it exists, so if I even had kids, I'd pass along the same paranoia my father taught me... but it just strikes me as a meaningful inconsistency in the image of police that their supporters have.
yardie 5y ago
That ship sailed along. In the interest of putting the police force ahead of the community it is supposed to protect the police have burned lots of goodwill. Even now being called police is considered an insult amongst the youth. It used to be snitch, narc, or opp. Now you’re called “12” when you’re not to be trusted.

by kixiQu 5y ago

Miner49er 5y ago

The police's rule in society is to enforce the law. I don't think they need kids to trust them to do that?

adchari 5y ago
Enforcing the law becomes a lot harder when a community lacks trust in you, and kids who don't trust police officers turn into adults who don't trust police officers, and teach their children the same thing.
kixiQu 5y ago
Bog-standard "if you get lost and separated from your parents" child-advice is to ask for help from exactly such figures as police, with the idea that this would protect them from ostensibly less savory options
- jMyles 5y ago
  I certainly don't tell my child that, and I don't know of any American parents who do. Police represent the interests of the state, not the interests of my child.
  - kixiQu 5y ago
    > I don't know of any American parents who do. Really? https://www.allprodad.com/things-your-child-should-know-when-they-are-lost/ https://www.allprodad.com/things-your-child-should-know-when... > The best people to seek out would be the police, security guards, the fire department, and store management and employees. If these can’t be found, teach them to seek a mom with young children. http://achildsworldnc.com/teach-kids-case-get-lost/ http://achildsworldnc.com/teach-kids-case-get-lost/ > Advise children that if they need assistance they should only approach someone such as a security guard, police officer or someone who is clearly a member of the staff. I mean, I know these are just random internet things -- but I vaguely remember that advice even being in kids' books when I was growing up.
    - salawat 5y ago
      I remember receiving that advice as well, but would be less likely to perpetuate it given the frequency of weaponization of the State against parents. If I knew the community, I might advise the latter.
    - jMyles 5y ago
      > I mean, I know these are just random internet things -- but I vaguely remember that advice even being in kids' books when I was growing up. Yes, I think it used to be common. But I don't think it is nearly as much so now.

stronglikedan 5y ago

If you're teaching your children to trust police, you're doing them a disservice. They should be taught to respect authority figures that are not their direct family, but never, ever trust their intentions.

kixiQu 5y ago
Well, I don't really believe in the institution of police as it exists, so if I even had kids, I'd pass along the same paranoia my father taught me... but it just strikes me as a meaningful inconsistency in the image of police that their supporters have.

yardie 5y ago

That ship sailed along. In the interest of putting the police force ahead of the community it is supposed to protect the police have burned lots of goodwill. Even now being called police is considered an insult amongst the youth. It used to be snitch, narc, or opp. Now you’re called “12” when you’re not to be trusted.