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Elon does not have a long history of process/domain breakthroughs though. SpaceX is doing some very innovative things that ULA never had incentive to do. But ot

Elon does not have a long history of process/domain breakthroughs though. SpaceX is doing some very innovative things that ULA never had incentive to do. But otherwise, it’s the same rocketry. Tesla largely same, bucking the expert opinion with Autopilot which seems to be going rather horribly. The Boring company has yet to prove his claims there.

eightysixfour 5y ago
> But otherwise, it’s the same rocketry. I get that Elon is a bullshitter who occasionally delivers which makes him insanely polarizing, but this feels like a bit of a ridiculous statement. Landing the first stage of the rocket isn’t the same rocketry.
- FireBeyond 5y ago
  You left out the first part, "doing innovative things that ULA never had the incentive to do", i.e. land/re-use the rocket.
  - eightysixfour 5y ago
    You say they never had the incentive to innovate, and then follow up with but otherwise it is the same rocketry. Those statements are contradictory - either there was market incentive for cheaper, reusable rockets, or there wasn't. ULA couldn't even imagine a world where SpaceX was successful at what they've done, which is a different type of rocketry, and as a result, SpaceX isn't doing "the same rocketry."
tigershark 5y ago
Ah ok, no history of breakthrough... Disrupting the entire aerospace and automotive industry doesn’t count obviously.
Robotbeat 5y ago
Tesla bucked expert opinion on electric vehicles and lithium ion batteries and charging speed and vehicle speed and… on and on. And SpaceX bucked industry opinion hard on many other things as well. People dismissing SpaceX’s rockets as “just the same rockets” have no idea what they’re talking about. Industry experts dismissed Falcon 1/9, they dismissed Dragon, they dismissed Falcon Heavy, they dismissed landing rockets, they dismissed reusing rockets, they dismissed landing rockets on drone ships, they dismissed Starlink, Raptor, Starship, etc. there’s almost nothing that SpaceX does that wasn’t dismissed at some point by industry experts.

eightysixfour 5y ago

> But otherwise, it’s the same rocketry. I get that Elon is a bullshitter who occasionally delivers which makes him insanely polarizing, but this feels like a bit of a ridiculous statement. Landing the first stage of the rocket isn’t the same rocketry.

FireBeyond 5y ago
You left out the first part, "doing innovative things that ULA never had the incentive to do", i.e. land/re-use the rocket.
- eightysixfour 5y ago
  You say they never had the incentive to innovate, and then follow up with but otherwise it is the same rocketry. Those statements are contradictory - either there was market incentive for cheaper, reusable rockets, or there wasn't. ULA couldn't even imagine a world where SpaceX was successful at what they've done, which is a different type of rocketry, and as a result, SpaceX isn't doing "the same rocketry."

tigershark 5y ago

Ah ok, no history of breakthrough... Disrupting the entire aerospace and automotive industry doesn’t count obviously.

Robotbeat 5y ago

Tesla bucked expert opinion on electric vehicles and lithium ion batteries and charging speed and vehicle speed and… on and on. And SpaceX bucked industry opinion hard on many other things as well. People dismissing SpaceX’s rockets as “just the same rockets” have no idea what they’re talking about. Industry experts dismissed Falcon 1/9, they dismissed Dragon, they dismissed Falcon Heavy, they dismissed landing rockets, they dismissed reusing rockets, they dismissed landing rockets on drone ships, they dismissed Starlink, Raptor, Starship, etc. there’s almost nothing that SpaceX does that wasn’t dismissed at some point by industry experts.