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Your post is jumping all over the place but I want to comment on two points: 1. You're responding to a post that said "most people who argue for defunding the
by xyzelement 5y ago
Your post is jumping all over the place but I want to comment on two points:
1. You're responding to a post that said "most people who argue for defunding the police have never lived in a place without police where they had to live in fear of crime". In your response, you confirmed that you're such a person. You never lived in a dangerous/violent place but somehow you take your safety for granted and see police as extraneous.
2. You asked for a citation of the fact that the recent spike in crime has taken more black lives than the police? To be frank your lack of awareness of the numbers (ie the actual crux of the matter) is pretty damning. If you don't have the command of the numbers and the scale of the issue, you're not in good position to suggest policy.
I can dig up the data if you don't believe me but from memory: the number of unarmed people shot to death by police in the US is a double-digit number across all races, with about 2/3rd of them being white. So if we said "30 unarmed black people were shot to death by police in the US in 2020" that would be an upper bound. (to be clear this number includes unarmed people who were nonetheless violent, but its ok)
In contrast, there were 7,484 Black homicide victims per year in 2019, which is before the latest spike in crime.
That's a ratio of ~250/1 using the most conservative assumptions (it's more like 400/1 probably)
- einpoklum 5y ago> the number of unarmed people shot to death by police in the US is a double-digit number across all races It is often a quadruple-digit number. Here's an example for 2016: https://www.newsweek.com/how-many-americans-do-cops-kill-each-year-480712 https://www.newsweek.com/how-many-americans-do-cops-kill-eac... and 2019: https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/ https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/ it seems you are not quite familiar with how the US police treats people.
- xyzelement 5y agoI am talking about number of unarmed people that are killed by police, which is what falls into the category of something to be concerned about. Your numbers munge everyone killed by the cops, which is stupid. "X pointed a gun at a cop so the cops shot him" does not translate into "cops are bad" in my mind.