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Are they admitting they are lying to everyone?

by mkl95 5y ago

cassianoleal 5y ago
Yes: > Commonly used interrogation tactics, such as promising leniency or insinuating that incriminating evidence exists, are banned for suspects under 18 years old under the new law, which goes into effect Jan. 1.
- PeterisP 5y ago
  Why wouldn't they just ban those particular things for all suspects, not just for minors?
  - Miner49er 5y ago
    Research shows that children are especially susceptible to being lied to in interrogations. I imagine limiting the ban to minors was a compromise from negotiating with police and attorney organizations and pro-police lawmakers.
  - emteycz 5y ago
    What's the purpose of your question? It's apparent they went out of their way to limit this to minors - so the reason is they want to have the ability to lie to adults. Probably 'because it helps fight crime' or something.
eplanit 5y ago
They're allowed to in investigations: "we have a witness who saw you do it" will sometimes cause actually guilty people to confess, or to start naming accomplices, etc. Or, "we think this was an accident" can elicit "it was, I didn't mean to do it" as a confession.
- tomalpha 5y ago
  The difficulty seems to be that it can sometimes cause innocent people to confess too Edit: adding this link to the excellent and oft-cited "Don't talk to the police [even if you're completely innocent]" lecture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE
- brobdingnagians 5y ago
  I thought we used to call that 'fraud'.... If the police are lying to the people, then why can't we assume the witnesses are lying... The police are supposed to be more reliable, after all.
- mrweasel 5y ago
  That's specifically one of the reason for Denmark to recommend that if arrested in the US you contact the Danish embassy and wait for them to send someone to help you. The idea that the police would lie and claim to have evidence is just completely foreign to us.
tssva 5y ago
Admitting would imply that they were hiding it previously which they were not. Why would they? The courts have generally said it is ok which is why legislation is required to stop the practice.
- ipaddr 5y ago
  Aren't these the same courts who would put you in jail for lying to them?
  - Spoom 5y ago
    Lying to police is a crime. Police lying to you is not a crime. This is a very good reason to limit interactions with police.
    - preinheimer 5y ago
      Bonus: Police lying under oath is a crime, but it's rampant and nothing is changing. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/18/nyregion/testilying-police-perjury-new-york.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/18/nyregion/testilying-polic...
    - Larrikin 5y ago
      Lying to the FBI is a crime but I don't believe lying to regular cops is a crime.

Are they admitting they are lying to everyone?

by mkl95 5y ago

Are they admitting they are lying to everyone?

Yes: > Commonly used interrogation tactics, such as promising leniency or insinuating that incriminating evidence exists, are banned for suspects under 18 years old under the new law, which goes into effect Jan. 1.

PeterisP 5y ago
Why wouldn't they just ban those particular things for all suspects, not just for minors?
- Miner49er 5y ago
  Research shows that children are especially susceptible to being lied to in interrogations. I imagine limiting the ban to minors was a compromise from negotiating with police and attorney organizations and pro-police lawmakers.
- emteycz 5y ago
  What's the purpose of your question? It's apparent they went out of their way to limit this to minors - so the reason is they want to have the ability to lie to adults. Probably 'because it helps fight crime' or something.

eplanit 5y ago

They're allowed to in investigations: "we have a witness who saw you do it" will sometimes cause actually guilty people to confess, or to start naming accomplices, etc. Or, "we think this was an accident" can elicit "it was, I didn't mean to do it" as a confession.

tomalpha 5y ago
The difficulty seems to be that it can sometimes cause innocent people to confess too Edit: adding this link to the excellent and oft-cited "Don't talk to the police [even if you're completely innocent]" lecture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE
brobdingnagians 5y ago
I thought we used to call that 'fraud'.... If the police are lying to the people, then why can't we assume the witnesses are lying... The police are supposed to be more reliable, after all.
mrweasel 5y ago
That's specifically one of the reason for Denmark to recommend that if arrested in the US you contact the Danish embassy and wait for them to send someone to help you. The idea that the police would lie and claim to have evidence is just completely foreign to us.

tssva 5y ago

Admitting would imply that they were hiding it previously which they were not. Why would they? The courts have generally said it is ok which is why legislation is required to stop the practice.

ipaddr 5y ago
Aren't these the same courts who would put you in jail for lying to them?
- Spoom 5y ago
  Lying to police is a crime. Police lying to you is not a crime. This is a very good reason to limit interactions with police.
  - preinheimer 5y ago
    Bonus: Police lying under oath is a crime, but it's rampant and nothing is changing. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/18/nyregion/testilying-police-perjury-new-york.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/18/nyregion/testilying-polic...
  - Larrikin 5y ago
    Lying to the FBI is a crime but I don't believe lying to regular cops is a crime.