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More than 95% of the hydrogen produced comes from coal and gas[0]. If we manage to switch to hydrolysis, we'll have to generate at least twice the energy we'd n
by rcMgD2BwE72F 5y ago
More than 95% of the hydrogen produced comes from coal and gas[0]. If we manage to switch to hydrolysis, we'll have to generate at least twice the energy we'd need for Li-Ion batteries to due energy loss in weel-to-wheels measurements[1].
Also, there's no lack of materials for battery (NB: Tesla only uses LFP cells in China now, and achieve similar specs as their NMC chemistry used in the US).[2]
There's no shortage of materials in sight and it's far cheaper than hydrogen. Hydrogen has very few use cases were it's more efficient than batteries (industry, agriculture and aviation, mostly)[3].
[0](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_production https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_production)
[1](https://www.volkswagenag.com/en/news/stories/2019/08/hydrogen-or-battery--that-is-the-question.html https://www.volkswagenag.com/en/news/stories/2019/08/hydroge...)
[2](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-china-idUSKBN26L26S https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-china-idUSKBN26L26S)
[3](https://twitter.com/MLiebreich/status/1397267000196534283 https://twitter.com/MLiebreich/status/1397267000196534283)
- robbiep 5y agoJust because hydrogen is mostly produced from carbon sources right now doesn’t mean it would be with significant scaling of hydrogen as a fuel source, it could be easily produced from electrolysis of water from renewable sources if the investment was there, but you still have the energy costs to produce it
- ecpottinger 5y agoBut still cost 2-3 times more energy, and energy costs money.
- robbiep 5y agoWe’re talking about a situation where big investments in lithium batteries have lead to a possible massive increase in the cost of lithium production, and you’re assuming we wouldn’t see similar enhancements in hydrogen production - electrolysis is one route but some of the catalytic pathways are showing some outrageous experimental efficiencies. Dream a little, that’s the subthread I started and the thread you’re necessitated to respond to if you want to have a productive discussion