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True, and Tesla is so far behind competitors when it comes to self driving that they knowingly push the envelope, because either they succeed, or they kill thei

True, and Tesla is so far behind competitors when it comes to self driving that they knowingly push the envelope, because either they succeed, or they kill their customers but hurt all self-driving companies. So both scenarios work to their advantage and they just pay the minor fines and compensations to the people the kill in the process. And the Elon posts some Tweets blaming the people who got killed and his fandome happily cheers. There is a reason Waymo is progressing at what looks like snail speed from outside observers, and that reason is that it’s the only ethical pace for development and testing of what could eventually become broadly available fully autonomous vehicles.

pelorat 5y ago
Teslas philosophy is that self driving is useless if it can't handle every road and route out there, while Waymo who already has a ride hailing service, relies on pre-mapped routes and databases. Both have their advantages and disadvantages. Waymo requires huge databases and a constant network connection. But it's good enough to be used in real-life without a backup driver, in certain select locations that is. If there's a road construction somewhere, don't expect the Waymo car to handle it unless they update their database. Tesla on the other hand attempts to solve the problem with minimal database use, where most of the info coming from road markings and traffic signs. A much harder problem.
- plankers 5y ago
  Tesla's approach, however, kills people. Waymo's has not as of yet.
  - ericd 5y ago
    Going slowly may mean fewer people die directly. But I think it’s useful to remember that every year we delay being able to replace human drivers means that roughly a million lose their lives worldwide in auto accidents, and many more are maimed, many permanently. It’s obviously complex, though, bad PR likely delays things as well.
  - CRConrad 5y ago
    Wait, what about that woman on a bicycle in... Arizona, New Mexico, somewhere like that; about a year ago -- wasn't that Waymo?
    - markus92 5y ago
      That was Uber iirc

pelorat 5y ago

Teslas philosophy is that self driving is useless if it can't handle every road and route out there, while Waymo who already has a ride hailing service, relies on pre-mapped routes and databases. Both have their advantages and disadvantages. Waymo requires huge databases and a constant network connection. But it's good enough to be used in real-life without a backup driver, in certain select locations that is. If there's a road construction somewhere, don't expect the Waymo car to handle it unless they update their database. Tesla on the other hand attempts to solve the problem with minimal database use, where most of the info coming from road markings and traffic signs. A much harder problem.

plankers 5y ago
Tesla's approach, however, kills people. Waymo's has not as of yet.
- ericd 5y ago
  Going slowly may mean fewer people die directly. But I think it’s useful to remember that every year we delay being able to replace human drivers means that roughly a million lose their lives worldwide in auto accidents, and many more are maimed, many permanently. It’s obviously complex, though, bad PR likely delays things as well.
- CRConrad 5y ago
  Wait, what about that woman on a bicycle in... Arizona, New Mexico, somewhere like that; about a year ago -- wasn't that Waymo?
  - markus92 5y ago
    That was Uber iirc