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I think it is strange that family giving permission makes it ok. Would it be ok if they gave permission if he was alive? If not, what makes it ok now?

by mongol 5y ago

zimpenfish 5y ago
For me, personally, it doesn't make it "ok" but it's certainly a step less ethically sketchy than if it was just done without their permission. I can easily imagine that some people would have "ok/not ok" on either side of the "family permission" line though.
GavinMcG 5y ago
There are a lot of affairs that get passed along to family (or others) after someone death. It would be completely inappropriate for family to close someone's bank account while they still lived; we have no qualms about their doing so after they've died. Publishing yet-unpublished works is another example that this is only a step out two away from.
- andrewzah 5y ago
  Publishing yet-unpublished works is completely different than generating new work based on the old works. I suppose our wills now will need to include statements about not allowing family/etc to do things like this, at least under our names.
- azornathogron 5y ago
  To add to this, when yet-unpublished works are published posthumously, they are commonly edited. For example, several of JRR Tolkien's works were edited for posthumous publication by his son Christopher. And even if the text is totally unchanged there must be choices about what to include and how to present it. IMHO it's not at all strange for the family (particularly the offspring) of the deceased to make decisions, including creative/artistic/editorial decisions, about how their loved one's work and life are used and portrayed.
  - jfengel 5y ago
    In Tolkien's case, that's not just obscure stuff. The Silmarillion is widely considered "canonical", but it was published after his death, with countless editorial choices by his son. In most cases, later writings explicitly contradict the ones Christopher chose. He chose them because they were the ones most compatible with the other published works, because his father could never revise them. (Unlike The Hobbit, which as revised to make it more compatible with upcoming The Lord of the Rings.) He was specifically chosen for the job by his father, who may not have agreed with the choices but was unequivocal that Christopher was the one to make them. Christopher himself has said that he'd change some decisions if he were to make them again, but that's true for any author. To me, I'd just as soon The Silmarillion bear Chrisopher's name. Not as a matter of honor, but as a matter of clarity to fans who want to know what's "really" Tolkien.
GrumpyNl 5y ago
The family didnt give permission.
BelenusMordred 5y ago
Is this not general control of an estate? Seems entirely within what we in the West consider normal. Whether it's "creepy" or not doesn't really factor into all the other decisions made on the behalf of a deceased person.

I think it is strange that family giving permission makes it ok. Would it be ok if they gave permission if he was alive? If not, what makes it ok now?

by mongol 5y ago

I think it is strange that family giving permission makes it ok. Would it be ok if they gave permission if he was alive? If not, what makes it ok now?

zimpenfish 5y ago

For me, personally, it doesn't make it "ok" but it's certainly a step less ethically sketchy than if it was just done without their permission. I can easily imagine that some people would have "ok/not ok" on either side of the "family permission" line though.

GavinMcG 5y ago

There are a lot of affairs that get passed along to family (or others) after someone death. It would be completely inappropriate for family to close someone's bank account while they still lived; we have no qualms about their doing so after they've died. Publishing yet-unpublished works is another example that this is only a step out two away from.

andrewzah 5y ago
Publishing yet-unpublished works is completely different than generating new work based on the old works. I suppose our wills now will need to include statements about not allowing family/etc to do things like this, at least under our names.
azornathogron 5y ago
To add to this, when yet-unpublished works are published posthumously, they are commonly edited. For example, several of JRR Tolkien's works were edited for posthumous publication by his son Christopher. And even if the text is totally unchanged there must be choices about what to include and how to present it. IMHO it's not at all strange for the family (particularly the offspring) of the deceased to make decisions, including creative/artistic/editorial decisions, about how their loved one's work and life are used and portrayed.
- jfengel 5y ago
  In Tolkien's case, that's not just obscure stuff. The Silmarillion is widely considered "canonical", but it was published after his death, with countless editorial choices by his son. In most cases, later writings explicitly contradict the ones Christopher chose. He chose them because they were the ones most compatible with the other published works, because his father could never revise them. (Unlike The Hobbit, which as revised to make it more compatible with upcoming The Lord of the Rings.) He was specifically chosen for the job by his father, who may not have agreed with the choices but was unequivocal that Christopher was the one to make them. Christopher himself has said that he'd change some decisions if he were to make them again, but that's true for any author. To me, I'd just as soon The Silmarillion bear Chrisopher's name. Not as a matter of honor, but as a matter of clarity to fans who want to know what's "really" Tolkien.

GrumpyNl 5y ago

The family didnt give permission.

BelenusMordred 5y ago

Is this not general control of an estate? Seems entirely within what we in the West consider normal. Whether it's "creepy" or not doesn't really factor into all the other decisions made on the behalf of a deceased person.