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Was Jeffrey Epstein a Spy?

120 points by zimbu668 5y ago

TeeMassive 5y ago
Let's nor forget that Maxwell's father had ties to Mossad and died in suspicious circumstances.
- dweekly 5y ago
  It's in the article.
b9be520d93286 5y ago
Relevant: https://mobile.twitter.com/EricRWeinstein/status/1415840734167506945 https://mobile.twitter.com/EricRWeinstein/status/14158407341...
adamnemecek 5y ago
Fun fact, the current business model of science publishing is attributed to Robert Maxwell (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Maxwell https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Maxwell), the father of Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein’s co-conspirator https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/jun/27/profitable-business-scientific-publishing-bad-for-science https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/jun/27/profitable-b... Sounds like Ghislaine wasn’t the worst pimp in her family. He also had ties to Mossad.
- deleted 5y ago
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- b9be520d93286 5y ago
  Wonder how deep the rabbit hole goes ... Maybe not. Most of us probably would go insane if we were to find out the truth (yes I'm being,only slightly, hyperbolic and Lovecraftian)
  - atatatat 5y ago
    > Most of us probably would go insane if we were to find out the truth Sounds like a societal excuse to hide shit.
  - Lammy 5y ago
    It was surprising to me when I learned about McGraw-Hill considering how many of their textbooks defined my schooling in the '90s and beyond: https://www.nytimes.com/1989/05/18/business/mcgraw-hill-and-maxwell-form-venture.html https://www.nytimes.com/1989/05/18/business/mcgraw-hill-and-... (https://archive.is/bZKuA https://archive.is/bZKuA) > McGraw-Hill Inc., long the subject of takeover speculation, quieted those rumors somewhat yesterday when it said it had signed a standstill agreement with Robert Maxwell, the British entrepreneur whose empire includes Macmillan Inc., and would form a joint publishing venture with him. The username "maxwellhill" also makes total sense knowing this.
- dendrite9 5y ago
  Not just ties to Mossad but also to several other nation's intelligence groups. https://gregolear.substack.com/p/robert-maxwell-man-in-the-middle https://gregolear.substack.com/p/robert-maxwell-man-in-the-m...
gigatexal 5y ago
Why all the conspiracy theories? Can’t he just be the mathematically inclined wealthy pervert that he was?
- jdc 5y ago
  He died under suspicious circumstances before he could testify against powerful people against whom he likely had devastatingly compromising information.
  - speeder 5y ago
    There is also the thing with the judge that judged his first case, claiming he HAD to give Epstein a deal, because he was "warned" that Epstein "belonged" to intelligence.
    - belltaco 5y ago
      It was the prosecutor, not a judge. He later became the Labor secretary in Trump's cabinet.
      - economusty 5y ago
        I thought the original judge was removed at the last minute and replaced with a judge willing to make that call?
  - seppin 5y ago
    > testify against powerful people Who said he had any intention of doing that?
  - tablespoon 5y ago
    > He died under suspicious circumstances before he could testify against powerful people against whom he likely had devastatingly compromising information. You're speaking like that's almost certainty, which is little more than speculation. The more reasonable assumption is that he knew he was ruined, his life was essentially over, and became suicidal because of his lack of a future. If he had real dirt on anyone, it's quite possible that they were just other forgettable rich dudes like himself with no significant power or influence.
seppin 5y ago
Spies routinely interact with the underworld to do their jobs (organized crime, etc.) The idea that Epstein helped facilitate those interactions because he was a scumbag himself is very probable. That doesn't make him a spy.
swader999 5y ago
Talk about late to the party. Yes he was and the files that exist from this are still controlling politicians and elite world wide.
nnx 5y ago
His socialite story certainly reminds of Eli Cohen.
- BuildTheRobots 5y ago
  Sometimes spelt Elie Cohn. 'Our Man in Damascus' is an excellent read (if you can manage to find a copy).
  - jazzyjackson 5y ago
    Several copies are listed on ebay at the moment so it is not so rare.
    - BuildTheRobots 5y ago
      Good to know, thanks. I tried to buy a copy in 2016 and it took me over 6 months to find a copy for less than £60. I had a couple of friends wanting copies too, so I don't think it was just me failing to google. There seems to be a limited number on ebay and amazon at hte moment for the £10 mark which seems far more reasonable.
hrh 5y ago
Since the revelations have come out, I've been baffled and bewildered that Bill Gates, a guy with more connections and money than pretty much anyone who has ever existed and surely, surely must know what opposition research is....spent years hanging out with Epstein after his first conviction for treating high-schoolers as prostitutes. I don't get it. Gates has never come across as completely depraved (greedy, maybe) so I don't think he was using Epstein's services, but I can tell you in working class US, if you find out that anyone did what Epstein did, you never talk to them again because they are a predator, much less befriend them. What was Gates doing and why is there a collective sigh about it? Tech does not care. Microsoft does not care. https://www.thecut.com/2021/05/what-we-know-about-bill-gates-and-jeffrey-epstein.html https://www.thecut.com/2021/05/what-we-know-about-bill-gates... Gates is either careless, foolish, a creep, or all three. But this kind of bullshit is the stuff that made him the absolute worst person to head up things like virus response and we need to get these predators out of industries.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > Gates has never come across as completely depraved (greedy, maybe) so I don't think he was using Epstein's services, Maybe Gates just has the wealth and skill to craft a PR image that covers up his depravity, so that you dismiss the conclusion of his affiliation with Epstein even after being confused as to what other explanation it might have.
  - recursivedoubts 5y ago
    > Maybe Gates just has the wealth and skill to craft a PR image that covers up his depravity Many such cases.
  - IntrepidWorm 5y ago
    There are numerous allegations from female staff at Microsoft extolling Bill Gates' creepiness. He seemed to have a bad habit of constantly asking his employees on dates, as well as making strange and awkward advances to women in the workplace. I'm not certain the full extent of his dealings with Epstein- we may never know given Gate's power and wealth, but it's fairly clear from just a bit of research that he has a very creepy side that is usually kept hidden from the media.
cjdaly 5y ago
['belonged to intelligence'](https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffrey-epsteins-sick-story-played-out-for-years-in-plain-sight https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffrey-epsteins-sick-story-pl...)
KoftaBob 5y ago
Let’s look at some facts: - Alexander Acosta has been quoted as saying that he was told Epstein “is intelligence” and to “leave it alone” - Ghislaine Maxwells father, who died under mysterious circumstances, was very likely to have been involved with Israel’s Mossad intelligence agency - Collecting blackmail material on powerful people is intelligence agency 101, Epsteins trafficking ring had scores of that. - Epstein got large amounts of funding from Lesley Wexner, with no logical reason ever given as to why. Wexner by coincidence, is one of the founding members of the MEGA group, a group of businessmen who donate money to causes related to Israel’s national interests. Occam’s razor says the simplest and most likely explanation is that Epstein worked for Mossad, and was running a sex trafficking ring in order to collect blackmail material on powerful people for the Mossad to wield.
- seniorivn 5y ago
  I don't really remember all the facts, but it seems that you cherry picked some of them so it happens to point at Mossad directly. If i remember correctly it's unclear which particular agencies Epstein could be a part of/have cover from, so it's better to not point at Israel alone
  - srean 5y ago
    If you have concrete examples please cite, otherwise this is cheap dirt throwing.
  - KoftaBob 5y ago
    Do you know of any meaningful evidence pointing to him being connected to a different intelligence agency?
- jjeaff 5y ago
  Epstein was a money manager. Seems like a more logical assumption that he was managing Wexner's fortune and then embezzled it or otherwise conned him or blackmailed him out of it.
- seppin 5y ago
  Why on earth do you think US Intel would allow an American citizen to run a "a sex trafficking ring in order to collect blackmail material on powerful people" when those people includes ex-US Presidents?

120 points by zimbu668 5y ago

TeeMassive 5y ago

Let's nor forget that Maxwell's father had ties to Mossad and died in suspicious circumstances.

dweekly 5y ago
It's in the article.

b9be520d93286 5y ago

Relevant: https://mobile.twitter.com/EricRWeinstein/status/1415840734167506945 https://mobile.twitter.com/EricRWeinstein/status/14158407341...

adamnemecek 5y ago

Fun fact, the current business model of science publishing is attributed to Robert Maxwell (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Maxwell https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Maxwell), the father of Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein’s co-conspirator https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/jun/27/profitable-business-scientific-publishing-bad-for-science https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/jun/27/profitable-b... Sounds like Ghislaine wasn’t the worst pimp in her family. He also had ties to Mossad.

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b9be520d93286 5y ago
Wonder how deep the rabbit hole goes ... Maybe not. Most of us probably would go insane if we were to find out the truth (yes I'm being,only slightly, hyperbolic and Lovecraftian)
- atatatat 5y ago
  > Most of us probably would go insane if we were to find out the truth Sounds like a societal excuse to hide shit.
- Lammy 5y ago
  It was surprising to me when I learned about McGraw-Hill considering how many of their textbooks defined my schooling in the '90s and beyond: https://www.nytimes.com/1989/05/18/business/mcgraw-hill-and-maxwell-form-venture.html https://www.nytimes.com/1989/05/18/business/mcgraw-hill-and-... (https://archive.is/bZKuA https://archive.is/bZKuA) > McGraw-Hill Inc., long the subject of takeover speculation, quieted those rumors somewhat yesterday when it said it had signed a standstill agreement with Robert Maxwell, the British entrepreneur whose empire includes Macmillan Inc., and would form a joint publishing venture with him. The username "maxwellhill" also makes total sense knowing this.
dendrite9 5y ago
Not just ties to Mossad but also to several other nation's intelligence groups. https://gregolear.substack.com/p/robert-maxwell-man-in-the-middle https://gregolear.substack.com/p/robert-maxwell-man-in-the-m...

gigatexal 5y ago

Why all the conspiracy theories? Can’t he just be the mathematically inclined wealthy pervert that he was?

jdc 5y ago
He died under suspicious circumstances before he could testify against powerful people against whom he likely had devastatingly compromising information.
- speeder 5y ago
  There is also the thing with the judge that judged his first case, claiming he HAD to give Epstein a deal, because he was "warned" that Epstein "belonged" to intelligence.
  - belltaco 5y ago
    It was the prosecutor, not a judge. He later became the Labor secretary in Trump's cabinet.
    - economusty 5y ago
      I thought the original judge was removed at the last minute and replaced with a judge willing to make that call?
- seppin 5y ago
  > testify against powerful people Who said he had any intention of doing that?
- tablespoon 5y ago
  > He died under suspicious circumstances before he could testify against powerful people against whom he likely had devastatingly compromising information. You're speaking like that's almost certainty, which is little more than speculation. The more reasonable assumption is that he knew he was ruined, his life was essentially over, and became suicidal because of his lack of a future. If he had real dirt on anyone, it's quite possible that they were just other forgettable rich dudes like himself with no significant power or influence.

seppin 5y ago

Spies routinely interact with the underworld to do their jobs (organized crime, etc.) The idea that Epstein helped facilitate those interactions because he was a scumbag himself is very probable. That doesn't make him a spy.

swader999 5y ago

Talk about late to the party. Yes he was and the files that exist from this are still controlling politicians and elite world wide.

nnx 5y ago

His socialite story certainly reminds of Eli Cohen.

BuildTheRobots 5y ago
Sometimes spelt Elie Cohn. 'Our Man in Damascus' is an excellent read (if you can manage to find a copy).
- jazzyjackson 5y ago
  Several copies are listed on ebay at the moment so it is not so rare.
  - BuildTheRobots 5y ago
    Good to know, thanks. I tried to buy a copy in 2016 and it took me over 6 months to find a copy for less than £60. I had a couple of friends wanting copies too, so I don't think it was just me failing to google. There seems to be a limited number on ebay and amazon at hte moment for the £10 mark which seems far more reasonable.

hrh 5y ago

Since the revelations have come out, I've been baffled and bewildered that Bill Gates, a guy with more connections and money than pretty much anyone who has ever existed and surely, surely must know what opposition research is....spent years hanging out with Epstein after his first conviction for treating high-schoolers as prostitutes. I don't get it. Gates has never come across as completely depraved (greedy, maybe) so I don't think he was using Epstein's services, but I can tell you in working class US, if you find out that anyone did what Epstein did, you never talk to them again because they are a predator, much less befriend them. What was Gates doing and why is there a collective sigh about it? Tech does not care. Microsoft does not care. https://www.thecut.com/2021/05/what-we-know-about-bill-gates-and-jeffrey-epstein.html https://www.thecut.com/2021/05/what-we-know-about-bill-gates... Gates is either careless, foolish, a creep, or all three. But this kind of bullshit is the stuff that made him the absolute worst person to head up things like virus response and we need to get these predators out of industries.

dragonwriter 5y ago
> Gates has never come across as completely depraved (greedy, maybe) so I don't think he was using Epstein's services, Maybe Gates just has the wealth and skill to craft a PR image that covers up his depravity, so that you dismiss the conclusion of his affiliation with Epstein even after being confused as to what other explanation it might have.
- recursivedoubts 5y ago
  > Maybe Gates just has the wealth and skill to craft a PR image that covers up his depravity Many such cases.
- IntrepidWorm 5y ago
  There are numerous allegations from female staff at Microsoft extolling Bill Gates' creepiness. He seemed to have a bad habit of constantly asking his employees on dates, as well as making strange and awkward advances to women in the workplace. I'm not certain the full extent of his dealings with Epstein- we may never know given Gate's power and wealth, but it's fairly clear from just a bit of research that he has a very creepy side that is usually kept hidden from the media.

cjdaly 5y ago

['belonged to intelligence'](https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffrey-epsteins-sick-story-played-out-for-years-in-plain-sight https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffrey-epsteins-sick-story-pl...)

KoftaBob 5y ago

Let’s look at some facts: - Alexander Acosta has been quoted as saying that he was told Epstein “is intelligence” and to “leave it alone” - Ghislaine Maxwells father, who died under mysterious circumstances, was very likely to have been involved with Israel’s Mossad intelligence agency - Collecting blackmail material on powerful people is intelligence agency 101, Epsteins trafficking ring had scores of that. - Epstein got large amounts of funding from Lesley Wexner, with no logical reason ever given as to why. Wexner by coincidence, is one of the founding members of the MEGA group, a group of businessmen who donate money to causes related to Israel’s national interests. Occam’s razor says the simplest and most likely explanation is that Epstein worked for Mossad, and was running a sex trafficking ring in order to collect blackmail material on powerful people for the Mossad to wield.

seniorivn 5y ago
I don't really remember all the facts, but it seems that you cherry picked some of them so it happens to point at Mossad directly. If i remember correctly it's unclear which particular agencies Epstein could be a part of/have cover from, so it's better to not point at Israel alone
- srean 5y ago
  If you have concrete examples please cite, otherwise this is cheap dirt throwing.
- KoftaBob 5y ago
  Do you know of any meaningful evidence pointing to him being connected to a different intelligence agency?
jjeaff 5y ago
Epstein was a money manager. Seems like a more logical assumption that he was managing Wexner's fortune and then embezzled it or otherwise conned him or blackmailed him out of it.
seppin 5y ago
Why on earth do you think US Intel would allow an American citizen to run a "a sex trafficking ring in order to collect blackmail material on powerful people" when those people includes ex-US Presidents?