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> If an adult with kids is making minimum wage, they need to be able to rent a two-bedroom. Handwavy nonsense. There are lots of places in the world where thre

by Kalium 5y ago

> If an adult with kids is making minimum wage, they need to be able to rent a two-bedroom. Handwavy nonsense. There are lots of places in the world where three or more people live in the space of a studio apartment. The point being not that this is a reasonable standard of living, but that what can be asserted without support can be dismissed without support.

heavyset_go 5y ago
> Handwavy nonsense. There are lots of places in the world where three or more people live in the space of a studio apartment. In the US, some CPS will require kids to have their own bedrooms. Certain states also have housing laws requiring kids of certain ages to have their own bedrooms, as well. Property owners who take government housing benefits are also required to make sure children have their own bedrooms.
- briandear 5y ago
  If they are taking housing benefits then the cost of rent is no factor.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > some CPS will require kids to have their own bedrooms. AFAIK, rules of that type in state law, regulation, or child services practice generally apply strictly to substitute placements like foster and prospective or probationary adoptive homes, not regular custodial family settings, and even then usually allow room sharing for all of infants with parents, with children under a threshold age (commonly 5 or a little older), and children of the same gender regardless of age, though there may be numerical limits to each. If you can cite a specific rule or supportive case that not having their own room alone can be a basis for CPS action anywhere in the US against a parent with permanent custody, please share. > Property owners who take government housing benefits are also required to make sure children have their own bedrooms. No, they aren't. In fact, subsidy programs often set a maximum number of bedrooms of a subsidized unit as number of people/2, rounded up to a whole number [0], absolutely preventing each child from having a bedroom unless there is exactly one child. Which is one reason the earlier claim about CPS is not true. [0] for an example, see https://www.scchousingauthority.org/section-8-current-participants/housing-choice-voucher-current-participants/subsidy-standards/ https://www.scchousingauthority.org/section-8-current-partic... — note that the 2 occupants per bedroom standard is a national HUD standard (stemming from the 1991 Keating memo, subsequently mandated for adoption as HUD policy by the Quality Housing and Work Responsibility Act of 1998.)
  - heavyset_go 5y ago
    I'm talking about situations in which kids share a bedroom with their parents. The kids need another bedroom.
    - dragonwriter 5y ago
      > I'm talking about situations in which kids share a bedroom with their parents. In a single-parent family, one child wouldn't even qualify for a second bedroom under HUD guidelines. Now, its true that many child welfare rules wouldn't allow a placement to a foster or adoptive home that would force parent/child bedroom sharing, but neither would they prohibit it for an existing permanent family. > The kids need another bedroom. Again, if you have evidence such a rule exists, please present it.

by Kalium 5y ago

heavyset_go 5y ago

> Handwavy nonsense. There are lots of places in the world where three or more people live in the space of a studio apartment. In the US, some CPS will require kids to have their own bedrooms. Certain states also have housing laws requiring kids of certain ages to have their own bedrooms, as well. Property owners who take government housing benefits are also required to make sure children have their own bedrooms.

briandear 5y ago
If they are taking housing benefits then the cost of rent is no factor.
dragonwriter 5y ago
> some CPS will require kids to have their own bedrooms. AFAIK, rules of that type in state law, regulation, or child services practice generally apply strictly to substitute placements like foster and prospective or probationary adoptive homes, not regular custodial family settings, and even then usually allow room sharing for all of infants with parents, with children under a threshold age (commonly 5 or a little older), and children of the same gender regardless of age, though there may be numerical limits to each. If you can cite a specific rule or supportive case that not having their own room alone can be a basis for CPS action anywhere in the US against a parent with permanent custody, please share. > Property owners who take government housing benefits are also required to make sure children have their own bedrooms. No, they aren't. In fact, subsidy programs often set a maximum number of bedrooms of a subsidized unit as number of people/2, rounded up to a whole number [0], absolutely preventing each child from having a bedroom unless there is exactly one child. Which is one reason the earlier claim about CPS is not true. [0] for an example, see https://www.scchousingauthority.org/section-8-current-participants/housing-choice-voucher-current-participants/subsidy-standards/ https://www.scchousingauthority.org/section-8-current-partic... — note that the 2 occupants per bedroom standard is a national HUD standard (stemming from the 1991 Keating memo, subsequently mandated for adoption as HUD policy by the Quality Housing and Work Responsibility Act of 1998.)
- heavyset_go 5y ago
  I'm talking about situations in which kids share a bedroom with their parents. The kids need another bedroom.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > I'm talking about situations in which kids share a bedroom with their parents. In a single-parent family, one child wouldn't even qualify for a second bedroom under HUD guidelines. Now, its true that many child welfare rules wouldn't allow a placement to a foster or adoptive home that would force parent/child bedroom sharing, but neither would they prohibit it for an existing permanent family. > The kids need another bedroom. Again, if you have evidence such a rule exists, please present it.