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OS X Lion Now Available in the US Mac App Store

271 points by thisisblurry 15y ago

Emore 15y ago
It's available globally. At least if I'm allowed to extrapolate from {US, UK, Sweden}.
- cmontgomeryb 15y ago
  Doesn't seem to be available for me (UK, 13:45).
  - injekt 15y ago
    UK also, 13:47, it's downloading
  - Emore 15y ago
    If you search for "Lion" it's there. It doesn't seem to be under "Featured" yet.
- HSO 15y ago
  +germany downloading now...
- tonyskn 15y ago
  +France. Downloading now...
- samuelhalle 15y ago
  Canada too. Downloading...
lachyg 15y ago
Not working for me at the moment (Error: 100). Anyone else the same? Edit: In Australia
- xutopia 15y ago
  I'm also getting that error (with Canadian App Store).
- masnick 15y ago
  Working fine for me, just started the download. 1 hour remaining... Edit: I'm in the US.
- redguava 15y ago
  Took me a few tries, but downloading now (in Aus).
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knowtheory 15y ago
I'm a bit bummed out that i have to either buy multiple copies of the upgrade, or figure out how to enable my account across my wife's machine and the other machines i have. :( I was quite liking the unrestricted installs for 30$
- silverlight 15y ago
  I read the licensing terms and you are still allowed to install the one copy you buy across as many computers as you own (for personal use). For business use you can install it on one computer that multiple users have access to (e.g. a shared workstation/library) or you can install it on all the computers that one employee uses (e.g. desktop + laptop). So I guess it's more of a technical/sign-in limitation than a licensing limitation.
- btucker 15y ago
  As far as I know, Mac OS X has always been sold with a single machine license (unless you bought the Family multi-pack).
  - knowtheory 15y ago
    As far as i recall, Snow Leopard was unlimited installs, that or i did toss in the extra 10-20$ for unlimited installs, i don't recall exactly (i do definitely recall buying a family pack for Leopard). Regardless, where is that option now? Edit: what the hell? -1 for saying that i prefer the family pack?
    - masklinn 15y ago
      > As far as i recall, Snow Leopard was unlimited installs The license was for a single machine. If you wanted to install it on multiple machine, you were supposed to get a family pack (5 machines). Lion is single-user (since it's tied to an iTunes Store account), and up to 5 machines at the same time (all machines on which the account is active).
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mml 15y ago
Bleh, GM users can't download it (there's a newer version installed(!?)) c'est la vie.
- quux 15y ago
  I'm running the GM and am downloading it right now. I did get a message saying something like "you already have a newer version of lion installer (1.04) installed, do you still want to download this? It looks like I didn't have to pay either, I guess the app store thinks I already bought Lion, and I'm just re downloading.
  - ugh 15y ago
    How did you do that? I can’t click the button.
    - danieldk 15y ago
      Go to the Lion 'page' in the App Store, and click install while holding the Option key.
- mmariani 15y ago
  If you have the GM installed there's no need to download the new released version. The build numbers are the same.
  - orenmazor 15y ago
    came here to find this out myself. that means that crash I've been seeing is TotalFinder's fault.
- derefr 15y ago
  > there's a newer version installed(!?) Yup: the GM is release 511. The Mac App Store release is 491, for some reason. (It downloads and installs an update that brings it to 511 after you restart it, though.)
awflick 15y ago
Word of warning just by chance my OSX hard disk was corrupted today. Luckily I had my Snow Leopard OSX disk so that I could use the disk utility to check what the problem was and attempt a repair. I had to reformat but it has made me think that keeping the disk around would be a good idea.
- goatforce5 15y ago
  Apparently it's not too hard to make a bootable Lion DVD: http://www.macrumors.com/2011/07/18/make-an-os-x-lion-boot-disc/ http://www.macrumors.com/2011/07/18/make-an-os-x-lion-boot-d...
- Tyrannosaurs 15y ago
  I suspect that Apple would suggest that that was what Time Machine was for. But physical media is still nice. Supposedly you'll be able to buy a USB install for $69 next month.
  - napierzaza 15y ago
    clap clap clap You're right. They're destroying people's information to make a few hundred dollars. Do you distill rain water because of the fluoride as well? Things break, it's unfortunate.
    - masklinn 15y ago
      wat
    - Tyrannosaurs 15y ago
      I'm sorry, I have genuinely no idea what you're talking about.
    - gte910h 15y ago
      Time machine is free. Apple isn't making money from that. You're thinking of Time Capsule, which is an external disk people often use with time machine.
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coderdude 15y ago
Not being a Mac user, is this significant? Like when Windows is released?
- checker 15y ago
  It's not as huge a leap as Windows XP to 7 (or Vista I guess ...), but it does bring around some improvements that people are going to be excited about.
- xutopia 15y ago
  EDIT: I'm wrong. The release is downloading. This is indeed a very big deal but I'm really surprised they haven't made more noise about it.
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- ashleyw 15y ago
  If you imagine a Vista which doesn't suck, and a Windows 7 which only costs $30, that's the upgrade to Lion. Nothing groundbreaking, but a nice upgrade nonetheless.
- gte910h 15y ago
  Yes, it is, but about 1/2 as much so? They release new versions every 2 years or so, and most people upgrade.
- mitchty 15y ago
  For most users no, but for $30 its kind of hard to make excuses not to upgrade. I'm a huge fan of the ASLR and sandboxing changes so security wise there are good reasons to upgrade.
  - trotsky 15y ago
    What sandbox changes did they make? Is that the app store apps can't open documents without a user selecting them in a file chooser thing?
machosx 15y ago
It's out in the UAE too. Really excited for this. Can't wait to install it.
jason_tko 15y ago
So... alright. Who's going first?
- thenduks 15y ago
  Been running the GM seed for quite a while now. Everything has gone smoothly.
  - nc 15y ago
    Any idea on how to upgrade from the GM seed to final. It says I have a newer version and can't install it.
    - kristofferR 15y ago
      They're exactly the same version actually, if you have GM you already have the Lion availiable on the Mac App Store now. However, by pressing Option (Alt) when clicking the Buy button, you can download Lion again for free if you have GM installed.
phillmv 15y ago
Can anyone tell me if homebrew still works on it? What about macvim, rvm, mysql binaries, etc? Waiting is always the hardest part :P.
- gordonc 15y ago
  With every new OSX version update I just assume it's gonna take a solid 8 hours to get rails running properly again...
- siong1987 15y ago
  before upgrading, make sure that you can install xcode lion as well. old xcode won't work on lion. macvim with janus plugin crashes like hell.
  - masklinn 15y ago
    Yeah that's what I'm waiting for: the state of Xcode 4 for lion (is it free, or still $5?) and the macports update.
    - nicolasp 15y ago
      Apparently installing MacPorts from SVN should work, although it's a bit more of a hassle: http://blog.affien.com/archives/2011/03/10/macports-on-lion-mac-os-x-10-7/ http://blog.affien.com/archives/2011/03/10/macports-on-lion-...
      - danieldk 15y ago
        Installing MacPorts is easy, however, be aware that some ports do not compile yet. Some of them have bugs filed against them, but given the NDA, MacPort developers could not fix them until Lion was out.
      - masklinn 15y ago
        Yeah but I'm not going to bother with that, especially since packages will likely be broken. I'll wait until next week.
cstuder 15y ago
There are new MacBook Airs too: http://www.apple.com/macbookair/ http://www.apple.com/macbookair/ (With a currently somewhat broken webpage.) And new Mac Minis (Whose pages are also currently broken...)
- ashleyw 15y ago
  Quad-core Mac Mini servers… http://store.apple.com/uk/browse/home/shop_mac/family/mac_mini/select?mco=MjMzOTQxMTc http://store.apple.com/uk/browse/home/shop_mac/family/mac_mi...
- goatforce5 15y ago
  And it seems as though the (white plastic) MacBooks have gone.
  - code_duck 15y ago
    Yep.. replaced by a $999 Air.
- mml 15y ago
  and the rumored thunderbolt display
- eli 15y ago
  Still only 4gb max memory on the Airs? That's the one thing holding me back (well, besides money)
  - peng 15y ago
    I've been using a 13" MBA as my main computer for the past year, and the 4GB max is really limiting for virtualization. The laptop can choke with with all of my usual tools open (Virtualbox/Photoshop/Chrome/Terminal).
    - eli 15y ago
      Yup, I know I can get away with 4GB if I'm careful because that's what my current 2007 MBP has. But will I still be able to use the Air for work when it's that old? I suspect 4GB will be comically small in 2015.
blinkingled 15y ago
How is the backwards compatibility in general? I got a Oracle 10g database running on SL that I am particularly worried about. I got it anyways - will have to do a full backup and find out I suppose. Speaking of 4GB downloads - OS X still does not have something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Background_Intelligent_Transfer_Service http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Background_Intelligent_Transfer... which can utilize priorities, throttling and do idle bandwidth downloads. That means my VOIP calls are screwed until the download is done. Even any of the Apple routers don't do QoS stuff I guess. [Edit] Apparently the backwards compat is not good enough for Oracle :( - -bash: ulimit: max user processes: cannot modify limit: Invalid argument oracle@~$ sqlplus / as sysdba Segmentation fault: 11 oracle@~$ [Edit2] And the scrollbars are throwing me off but there is a setting to revert to old behavior. Xcode no longer works, JVM was removed and downloaded when I tried to use it - App Store doesn't seem to have a 10.7 compatible XCode update yet. Ho hum for the most part and even nightmarish for people using Xcode.
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- shorbaji 15y ago
  For compatibility in general, http://roaringapps.com/ http://roaringapps.com/ looks like a decent guide. Not sure about Oracle 10g though.
- masklinn 15y ago
  > Xcode is no longer there It was never part of the base install so that's unsurprising. > App Store doesn't seem to have a 10.7 compatible XCode update yet. > Ho hum for the most part and even nightmarish for people using Xcode. Thanks for being the coalmine canary, I'll be waiting for next week as planned.
  - jonknee 15y ago
    > It was never part of the base install so that's unsurprising. No, but it was always included along with the install disks. No install disks this time and no X Code. It's worth mentioning.
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wesley 15y ago
Does anyone know of a scanner software that supports 8ish year old scanners? (epson in particular) Since rosetta is not supported any longer, lots of scanners will not be working..
- gte910h 15y ago
  If you have to update, the newer scansnaps are fantastic for feed scanners. Worth every dollar of the 300-500 price tag.
- Jakob 15y ago
  Vuescan supports a lot of scanners: http://www.hamrick.com/vuescan/vuescan.htm#supported http://www.hamrick.com/vuescan/vuescan.htm#supported
sgt 15y ago
I'm not going to buy it unless I can buy a DVD with OS X Lion on it. Too much to transfer over a poor bandwidth mobile connection.
- Tyrannosaurs 15y ago
  You'll be able to get a USB stick with it on from next month apparently though at $69 it's fairly steep.
- rtrunck 15y ago
  If you can make it to an Apple store you can apparently download it from there. http://9to5mac.com/2011/07/19/apple-retail-has-3-lion-install-images-and-a-possible-dedicated-lion-caching-server/ http://9to5mac.com/2011/07/19/apple-retail-has-3-lion-instal...
mml 15y ago
just installed on a second mac, notice that airdrop is nowhere to be seen (though it's on the GM).
- masklinn 15y ago
  It's in the Lion features page, so it's probably there. But not all models are supported: AirDrop supports the following Mac models: * MacBook Pro (Late 2008 or newer) * MacBook Air (Late 2010 or newer) * MacBook (Late 2008 or newer) * iMac (Early 2009 or newer) * Mac mini (Mid 2010 or newer) * Mac Pro (Early 2009 with AirPort Extreme card, or Mid 2010)
  - mml 15y ago
    dammit, my mbp2,2 apparently doesn't make the cut. too bad. will have to go buy a new one :)
mindhunter 15y ago
"Preparing to install. Your computer will restart automaticly." Wait - what? Didn't they say update without restart? I told all my friends how cool it is - the first OS updating itself without a restart. .... "Click Restart to install Mac OS X." Okay.jpg
- ugh 15y ago
  They never said that.
  - rimantas 15y ago
    It was a bit more subtle. I think the point was, that you don't have to restart your machine to begin the installation.
    - daeken 15y ago
      That's new? The Windows and Linux camps have had that for >6 years.
      - danieldk 15y ago
        If your kernel is updated, you need to reload the kernel in some manner. Linux has kexec, but requires you to shut down services and reload the kernel nonetheless.
        daeken 15y ago
        But you can certainly start the upgrade. You can perform the majority of it, in fact.
  - mindhunter 15y ago
    you're right, i misunderstood it.
- code_duck 15y ago
  What would the point of that be, really? The one time every two years you upgrade your OS, you don't have to reboot, saving 15 seconds a year?
mars 15y ago
i installed the developer preview of os-x lion some weeks ago. following are my first impressions. let me know how you think... performance: at first i thought lions performance sucks, but mdworker and kextcache processes are re-initializing spotlight right after installation which slows down the system and heats up the cpu. after two hours of fan-noise and heat the system seems to be fine and is running smoothly now. mail: the new mail is great. finally email conversations are grouped. it features a new 3-column view, which imho is sub-optimal when working with loads of emails. fortunately the classic view also supports grouped conversations. i like launchpad: well guys. this is a super use-less feature, as i setup my application folder as a dock-folder anyhow. for me at least there's no need to have an ios view of apps on a desktop computer or notebook. mission control: this actually combines spaces and expose. unfortunately it adds nothing to my personal workflow as i rarely use those features. calendar: the new calendar is actually a huge disappointment as i'm working with mutliple calendars of different people (synched via google calendar). it's not possible anymore to permanently display the list of calendars in a sidebar. this suxx big time. besides that the switching of calendars with the new dropdown kind of list is totally unreliable and the calendars don't seem to update properly when working with multiple windows :( i'll probably have to switch to google calendar or something else. any recommendations for a good calendar desktop app for os-x which can handle multiple gcal accounts? trim support for ssd: finally there's trim support for ssd drives. this is totally overdue since windows and linux support this since quite a long time. i know that this is more a long term performance feature, but actually hoped that this would increase my ssd performance. unfortunately the xbench results did not get any better. sidenode: i'm not really convinced from the ssd performance under os-x (maybe it's the apple ssds which aren't that good, but colleagues have much much better results with linux). versions the integrated document versioning is quite cool and i'm sure this will save my * at some point in the future :) conclusion well as stated above there are some good things about lion like mail, versions and trim support, but also several downsides. i actually expected more and am a bit disappointed. there are also some other features, like fullscreen support for apps and airdrop which i didnt really test yet... cheers
- quizbiz 15y ago
  re:calendar for multiple gcal accounts Try BusyCal though I am in a similar situation and havn't found a good fit.
Nemisis7654 15y ago
I have been a Windows user since I started using computers. I am thinking of purchasing a Macbook Air. As a young programmer (going into fifth year of college), would anyone recommend this laptop?
- ams6110 15y ago
  Only if ultra light weight and portability are primary concerns. A standard MacBook Pro is a better value otherwise, IMO.
  - checker 15y ago
    After using my first MBP for a while, I'm kind of regretting getting the 15 inch. With the high-res screen, and as long as you have good eyes, the 13 seems just as functional and more portable. I love using my girlfriend's. My two cents, if Nemesis ends up going with a MBP.
    - rrrazdan 15y ago
      There is no option to upgrade to high-res(higher-res) screen on the 13 inch. I think I am pretty sure on that. Just the plain 1280x800.
      - checker 15y ago
        You are correct. Sorry about that.
    - hcal 15y ago
      I sold my older 15in MBP to get a unibody 13MBP. I lasted 4 months before selling the 13 to go back to 15in (thank goodness for high resell values.) The little bit of extra space just makes it so much easier to juggle open windows and see data from different programs while working. People think I'm a major multitasker with they see all my open windows, but really I'm working on one task with lots of varied inputs. I'm a little worried that Lion might take this away from me, with its emphasis on single window apps.
c1sc0 15y ago
Anyone been running Xcode on Lion? I've kind of ignored the seeds & would like to know if it's safe to update my dev workstation, or wait until after a few updates?
- danieldk 15y ago
  Lion + Xcode 4.1 GM crashes a few times per day while doing C++ coding on a fairly small project. Besides that, I do not see Xcode 4.1 in the App Store yet, so it's currently only available with a Mac Developer Account.
  - megablast 15y ago
    If it is anything like last time, you will have to get this new OS for the next version for Xcode. Which sucks, since you already have to update itunes and your devices. It is turning into a few hours project to update everything.
  - masklinn 15y ago
    Xcode 4.1 has now been released in MAS.
pwthornton 15y ago
You can now get a Mac Mini with discrete graphics. If the hard drive can be replaced -- unlike the iMac -- I'd be tempted to do a Mac Mini with discrete graphics, 8 GB ram and an SSD. Apple now offers a SSD option, but it's a $600 upgrade.
arihant 15y ago
It's available on Indian store too. I guess this is global.
ComputerGuru 15y ago
For all the Mac Developers on ADC: This is, to the best of my knowledge and according to reports from other developers, the same as the GM release on July 1st. If you have that, you already have the final.
- sleepyhead 15y ago
  Should have known that before I clicked 'buy'. Glad I own Apple shares so I can make a profit from my unnecessary purchase.
  - ryannielsen 15y ago
    If you'd redeemed the codes Apple gave you as a registered developer, you wouldn't have been able to buy Lion – it was already purchased by your last redemption code and, like all previously purchased App Store apps, clicking that button would simply have re-downloaded the app (or, in this case, Lion's installer).
- cmelbye 15y ago
  Yikes, really? I'm still hitting a few pretty big bugs with full-screen apps and things like that. Okay then.
ry0ohki 15y ago
The reversing of the scrolling direction is certainly going to take a lot of getting used to. The new way feels semi-natural with the track pad, but with a mouse wheel not so much.
- AndyJPartridge 15y ago
  You can put it back the old way in the system preferences. Thank god!
- tedkimble 15y ago
  Give it a few days and you'll think going back to the old way will take a lot of getting used to.
  - AndyJPartridge 15y ago
    I gave it about two hours. To me it's more intuitive to scroll my two fingers down to scroll down the page. Granted, it is odd that it's the opposite way round on the iPhone which I use almost as much as my laptop. Go figure!
    - masklinn 15y ago
      > Granted, it is odd that it's the opposite way round on the iPhone which I use almost as much as my laptop. Go figure! It's pretty simple: on a touchscreen you're moving the application itself. So having the application "stick" to your finger makes intuitive sense, that's like moving a sheet of paper on a desk, behind a stencil. On a laptop, you're not really moving the application itself, it's closer to moving a remote-controlled window in front of the application, so moving "up" will move the "window" upwards, and show you what's above the current stuff in the process.
- funkah 15y ago
  Agreed on both counts. I think it's too unnatural with a mouse so I switched it back on the desktop. On my laptop I left it alone.
rrrazdan 15y ago
Anyone have any idea on how I can redeem the "free Lion upgrade" on my newly bought Mac?
- D4236 15y ago
  Looks like you can punch your serial here: http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?partNumber=MD202Z/A http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?...
  - rrrazdan 15y ago
    Apparently I cant and the links arent available for India right now. http://www.apple.com/in/macosx/uptodate/ http://www.apple.com/in/macosx/uptodate/
jamesu 15y ago
I feel greatly let down by the Calendar and Address book apps. The whole "looks like a real office object" metaphor reminds me too much of Microsoft Bob. Also the menu to select calendars feels poorly designed and doesn't always update correctly. The default view in mail is practically useless to me as often i tend to sort messages by date, person, or subject in order to find stuff. So in some regards a step forwards, in others a step back.
- lean 15y ago
  A show of hands, does anyone use these apps? I haven't used anything but a web interface for webapps for a while now. iCal and Address Book are always among the first things deleted by me on a new OSX install.
  - X-Istence 15y ago
    I use those apps. I prefer not to use web based applications.
  - cdcarter 15y ago
    Yes, many people do.
  - jamesu 15y ago
    I have yet to find equivalent web apps which offer equivalent security and poweruser capabilities.
  - ditojim 15y ago
    i also use web apps for my mail and calendar.
benhebert 15y ago
I just installed it now. I run a dual screen iMac at work, but a 13 inch MB Pro at home. I think it will be a lot more useful with the macbook.
sigzero 15y ago
Does Lion "reset" the file system? I have stuff like Perl and Python that I installed myself. Some stuff resides in /usr/local/bin and other stuff in ~/Library/. Was wondering if that all got wiped on the install?
- ben1040 15y ago
  All my /usr/local remained intact on upgrade. I believe this was the standard behavior with an upgrade install on previous OS X releases, and it got moved out of the way when you did an "archive and install." I couldn't even find an option to archive and install on Lion, does it even exist? I would rather have done that and gotten rid of all the cruft I've accumulated.
  - sigzero 15y ago
    I was thinking of the cruft as well. But don't want to lose my iTunes settings etc.
bengl3rt 15y ago
I'll echo what I said on the Siracusa thread: Has everyone managed to overlook how patently awful and useless Mission Control is on multiple monitors? Whereas in the Spaces view in Snow Leopard I could move a window to a different space AND a different monitor with a quick drag, Mission Control doesn't allow this - I have to first move the window to the correct "Desktop", then exit MC and drag it to the correct monitor. Full Screen Apps are similarly useless on multiple monitors - regardless of which monitor the window originates on, clicking the full screen button returns it to whatever display is designated "primary". Even worse, while you're in full screen on one display, the others become useless as it blocks them out with Apple's new favorite canvas texture. Why? At first I thought all this was intentional and that Apple was leaving multi-monitor users in the dust to focus on Macs that are very close to iOS devices (11" Macbook Air comes to mind), but today they also announced a new Cinema Display that lets you daisy chain two monitors off a single Thunderbolt port. Clearly it's still a mode of operation they intend to support for some time - so why have they crippled it so horribly in this release?
- vito 15y ago
  I wish they would go the xmonad route, and simply treat each display as an independent "workspace container". Being able to switch independently (and still use the other display when using a fullscreen app) is a huge productivity gain.
  - bengl3rt 15y ago
    This past week a co-worker introduced me to Moom... he said it was the closest he would ever get to xmonad on the Mac: http://manytricks.com/moom/ http://manytricks.com/moom/
  - zcid 15y ago
    This is the main reason I use linux on my mbp instead of os x. Being unable to manipulate my monitors independently is asinine.
- masklinn 15y ago
  > so why have they crippled it so horribly in this release? I'm guessing it's because they decided to put full-screen apps on their own space (sensible), but there's nothing else you can put in there since the application essentially is the space (if you shut down the full-screen mode, the application goes back to its original space). Basically, lack of foresight: they built full-screen for small-screen machines (e.g. the Air) and it's just broken for multi-screen.
scottschulthess 15y ago
I really wish there was a way to name spaces in Mission Control
protomyth 15y ago
Xcode is free for Lion http://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/xcode/id448457090?mt=12 http://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/xcode/id448457090?mt=12
ANH 15y ago
I've been using the developer previews, including the GM, and OpenGL performance seems to be better. Haven't run any proper tests, but my 3D stuff does seem zippier in most cases. Still, I'll probably wait until XCode functions okay before overwriting my Snow Leopard install.
- postit 15y ago
  No full opengl 3.0 support. I'm a bit disappointed
  - astrange 15y ago
    Lion fully supports OpenGL 3.2 Core Profile, but not Compatibility Profile. If you're checking the version in OpenGL Extensions Viewer, get v4 and change to Core profile.
gte910h 15y ago
If you are a windows user and adore the scrolling functionality: WheelUp:: Send {WheelDown} Return WheelDown:: Send {WheelUp} Return Autohotkey is your savior :OD
mitchty 15y ago
Anyone that has it, will it fit on a 4g usb stick or should I buy an 8 before I get home?
- callahad 15y ago
  Disk Utility refused to write the image to a 4 GB stick, complaining about limited space. An 8 GB stick worked just fine.
  - mitchty 15y ago
    Looks like its a 4.18g uncompressed disk image actually.
cube 15y ago
Nice update, but I hate how they changed spaces. No grid possible anymore?! I relied heavily on switching between spaces in a non-linear way.
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bodyfour 15y ago
"The software could not be verified. It may have been corrupted or tampered with during downloading." Not off to a great start here... Anybody else having this problem? [edit: deleted it; downloaded it again from my employers network (completely different ISP just in case a particular CDN had a bad copy. Same problem! Starting to think there's a bug in the installer or something...]
- LeeUmm 15y ago
  I'm having the same issue so came here to search. Downloaded it twice and get the exact same error. Deleted and removed from trash the first time. Edit Reboot your machine. That worked for me. I can now install fine with the same 'corrupt' file I had before.
  - bodyfour 15y ago
    I found an Apple Support thread where some others are reporting the same issue: https://discussions.apple.com/message/15660833#15660833 https://discussions.apple.com/message/15660833#15660833 I posted my md5's of the internal .dmg's from the download there. They're different from the two unsuccessful downloads but I suspect that's just App Store watermarking because they differ in so many places. Maybe someone here on HN knows the real story though.
    - bodyfour 15y ago
      Nope, no watermarking. My third download worked and I got an InstallESD.dmg md5 of b5d3753c62bfb69866e94dca9336a44a. Googling for that it seems to match what the torrent sites are serving up for the Gold Master build. It's odd that I had two failed downloads in a row... Either an app store bug or this MBP is maybe having memory issues or something. It's odd because I haven't had any issues like that before, and I tax it quite a bit. Or maybe this was just Apple's way of making me rationalize a MacBook Air purchase :-)
  - bodyfour 15y ago
    Reboot didn't help for me, unfortunately. Still failed out with the same error after a minute or so.
kaffeinecoma 15y ago
Hmm, my two-finger swipe to move back/forward in browser history via Magic Mouse seems to invoke Spaces/Mission Control now. Anyone know how to fix that? Or what the new gesture for browser nav might be? I don't see anything helpful in System Prefs for that.
gmurphy 15y ago
A small word of warning: I mostly use Windows 7 on my MacBook Air, but I decided to upgrade anyway. Unfortunately for me, the upgrade rendered my Bootcamp partition inaccessible (it doesn't show up in startup disks, and does show up in Disk Utility, but cannot be repaired).
- owyn 15y ago
  Wow, thanks for the warning. I was just about to upgrade. I have an entire drive devoted to Boot Camp I'll probably be okay? It looks like there is one error situation detected during install: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4649 http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4649 The anandtech review implies that boot camp assistant works and the boot camp drivers (a separate download) are now 4.0 but I can't actually find them, I assume the apple updater has them. http://www.anandtech.com/show/4485/back-to-the-mac-os-x-107-lion-review/20 http://www.anandtech.com/show/4485/back-to-the-mac-os-x-107-... I suspect it is probably because Lion adds a new Recovery Partition, and when it redoes the partition layout it doesn't take the boot camp partition into account. That's kind of a scary oversight.
  - gmurphy 15y ago
    Many other people have had success, but so far there doesn't seem to be a common thread between the people who've had failures.
blaenk 15y ago
Does anyone know if there's a way to download it on one mac, and somehow transfer it to another so that one doesn't have to download it multiple times through the mac app store?
- famousactress 15y ago
  Yep. It's covered briefly in the linked review, but the download just puts an item in your Applications folder that can be copied to whatever and installed wherever. The license agreement even okays it for a few machines, I believe.
  - blaenk 15y ago
    Thank you very much!
harto 15y ago
I never got around to upgrading from 10.5 - does anyone know if there's a way to upgrade straight to this new release? (Guessing probably not.)
tree_of_item 15y ago
Tried to update to Lion: couldn't do it. Tried to update Snow Leopard so I could update to Lion: computer now kernel panics on boot. Tried to reinstall Snow Leopard from DVD: turns out the disk drive is broken. Tried to install a Linux distro from a USB key: turns out they're nearly impossible to boot on a Mac. Still haven't figured out how to do it. This went well.
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- joeskerbec 15y ago
  This is why i cloned my drive to an external drive prior to the upgrade. Just in case.
- tedkalaw 15y ago
  I tried to install Lion after purchasing it from the App Store. It kernel panicked during install and then TRAPPED ME at the installer. Despite restarting, using disk utility, etc, I was stuck. I erased the partition and tried to install again. Kernel panic. I tried putting Lion on a USB drive. Again, kernel panic In my desperation I just kept running the installer over and over again and ONE TIME it worked. I was so pleased - until it kernel panicked on restart. Still, it's working now. It will kernel panic every now and then. When I look at the logs for the kernel panics, the last kext loaded almost always has to do with networking/WIFI. This seems to be a relatively common.
  - gcr 15y ago
    Was SL more stable?
- marchdown 15y ago
  I have recently tried (yet again) to make some bootable USB keys on a mac. Turns out you have to convert iso to UDxx: $ hdiutil convert -format UDRW -o bootable.img bootable.iso && dd if=bootable.img of=/dev/disk1 bs=1m # Check the disk number with diskutil list! If it still won't boot, rEFIt (or Boot Camp, naturally) help with BIOS emulation.
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Emore 15y ago

It's available globally. At least if I'm allowed to extrapolate from {US, UK, Sweden}.

cmontgomeryb 15y ago
Doesn't seem to be available for me (UK, 13:45).
- injekt 15y ago
  UK also, 13:47, it's downloading
- Emore 15y ago
  If you search for "Lion" it's there. It doesn't seem to be under "Featured" yet.
HSO 15y ago
+germany downloading now...
tonyskn 15y ago
+France. Downloading now...
samuelhalle 15y ago
Canada too. Downloading...

lachyg 15y ago

Not working for me at the moment (Error: 100). Anyone else the same? Edit: In Australia

xutopia 15y ago
I'm also getting that error (with Canadian App Store).
masnick 15y ago
Working fine for me, just started the download. 1 hour remaining... Edit: I'm in the US.
redguava 15y ago
Took me a few tries, but downloading now (in Aus).

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knowtheory 15y ago

I'm a bit bummed out that i have to either buy multiple copies of the upgrade, or figure out how to enable my account across my wife's machine and the other machines i have. :( I was quite liking the unrestricted installs for 30$

silverlight 15y ago
I read the licensing terms and you are still allowed to install the one copy you buy across as many computers as you own (for personal use). For business use you can install it on one computer that multiple users have access to (e.g. a shared workstation/library) or you can install it on all the computers that one employee uses (e.g. desktop + laptop). So I guess it's more of a technical/sign-in limitation than a licensing limitation.
btucker 15y ago
As far as I know, Mac OS X has always been sold with a single machine license (unless you bought the Family multi-pack).
- knowtheory 15y ago
  As far as i recall, Snow Leopard was unlimited installs, that or i did toss in the extra 10-20$ for unlimited installs, i don't recall exactly (i do definitely recall buying a family pack for Leopard). Regardless, where is that option now? Edit: what the hell? -1 for saying that i prefer the family pack?
  - masklinn 15y ago
    > As far as i recall, Snow Leopard was unlimited installs The license was for a single machine. If you wanted to install it on multiple machine, you were supposed to get a family pack (5 machines). Lion is single-user (since it's tied to an iTunes Store account), and up to 5 machines at the same time (all machines on which the account is active).
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mml 15y ago

Bleh, GM users can't download it (there's a newer version installed(!?)) c'est la vie.

quux 15y ago
I'm running the GM and am downloading it right now. I did get a message saying something like "you already have a newer version of lion installer (1.04) installed, do you still want to download this? It looks like I didn't have to pay either, I guess the app store thinks I already bought Lion, and I'm just re downloading.
- ugh 15y ago
  How did you do that? I can’t click the button.
  - danieldk 15y ago
    Go to the Lion 'page' in the App Store, and click install while holding the Option key.
mmariani 15y ago
If you have the GM installed there's no need to download the new released version. The build numbers are the same.
- orenmazor 15y ago
  came here to find this out myself. that means that crash I've been seeing is TotalFinder's fault.
derefr 15y ago
> there's a newer version installed(!?) Yup: the GM is release 511. The Mac App Store release is 491, for some reason. (It downloads and installs an update that brings it to 511 after you restart it, though.)

awflick 15y ago

Word of warning just by chance my OSX hard disk was corrupted today. Luckily I had my Snow Leopard OSX disk so that I could use the disk utility to check what the problem was and attempt a repair. I had to reformat but it has made me think that keeping the disk around would be a good idea.

goatforce5 15y ago
Apparently it's not too hard to make a bootable Lion DVD: http://www.macrumors.com/2011/07/18/make-an-os-x-lion-boot-disc/ http://www.macrumors.com/2011/07/18/make-an-os-x-lion-boot-d...
Tyrannosaurs 15y ago
I suspect that Apple would suggest that that was what Time Machine was for. But physical media is still nice. Supposedly you'll be able to buy a USB install for $69 next month.
- napierzaza 15y ago
  clap clap clap You're right. They're destroying people's information to make a few hundred dollars. Do you distill rain water because of the fluoride as well? Things break, it's unfortunate.
  - masklinn 15y ago
    wat
  - Tyrannosaurs 15y ago
    I'm sorry, I have genuinely no idea what you're talking about.
  - gte910h 15y ago
    Time machine is free. Apple isn't making money from that. You're thinking of Time Capsule, which is an external disk people often use with time machine.
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coderdude 15y ago

Not being a Mac user, is this significant? Like when Windows is released?

checker 15y ago
It's not as huge a leap as Windows XP to 7 (or Vista I guess ...), but it does bring around some improvements that people are going to be excited about.
xutopia 15y ago
EDIT: I'm wrong. The release is downloading. This is indeed a very big deal but I'm really surprised they haven't made more noise about it.
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ashleyw 15y ago
If you imagine a Vista which doesn't suck, and a Windows 7 which only costs $30, that's the upgrade to Lion. Nothing groundbreaking, but a nice upgrade nonetheless.
gte910h 15y ago
Yes, it is, but about 1/2 as much so? They release new versions every 2 years or so, and most people upgrade.
mitchty 15y ago
For most users no, but for $30 its kind of hard to make excuses not to upgrade. I'm a huge fan of the ASLR and sandboxing changes so security wise there are good reasons to upgrade.
- trotsky 15y ago
  What sandbox changes did they make? Is that the app store apps can't open documents without a user selecting them in a file chooser thing?

machosx 15y ago

It's out in the UAE too. Really excited for this. Can't wait to install it.

jason_tko 15y ago

So... alright. Who's going first?

thenduks 15y ago
Been running the GM seed for quite a while now. Everything has gone smoothly.
- nc 15y ago
  Any idea on how to upgrade from the GM seed to final. It says I have a newer version and can't install it.
  - kristofferR 15y ago
    They're exactly the same version actually, if you have GM you already have the Lion availiable on the Mac App Store now. However, by pressing Option (Alt) when clicking the Buy button, you can download Lion again for free if you have GM installed.

phillmv 15y ago

Can anyone tell me if homebrew still works on it? What about macvim, rvm, mysql binaries, etc? Waiting is always the hardest part :P.

gordonc 15y ago
With every new OSX version update I just assume it's gonna take a solid 8 hours to get rails running properly again...
siong1987 15y ago
before upgrading, make sure that you can install xcode lion as well. old xcode won't work on lion. macvim with janus plugin crashes like hell.
- masklinn 15y ago
  Yeah that's what I'm waiting for: the state of Xcode 4 for lion (is it free, or still $5?) and the macports update.
  - nicolasp 15y ago
    Apparently installing MacPorts from SVN should work, although it's a bit more of a hassle: http://blog.affien.com/archives/2011/03/10/macports-on-lion-mac-os-x-10-7/ http://blog.affien.com/archives/2011/03/10/macports-on-lion-...
    - danieldk 15y ago
      Installing MacPorts is easy, however, be aware that some ports do not compile yet. Some of them have bugs filed against them, but given the NDA, MacPort developers could not fix them until Lion was out.
    - masklinn 15y ago
      Yeah but I'm not going to bother with that, especially since packages will likely be broken. I'll wait until next week.

cstuder 15y ago

There are new MacBook Airs too: http://www.apple.com/macbookair/ http://www.apple.com/macbookair/ (With a currently somewhat broken webpage.) And new Mac Minis (Whose pages are also currently broken...)

ashleyw 15y ago
Quad-core Mac Mini servers… http://store.apple.com/uk/browse/home/shop_mac/family/mac_mini/select?mco=MjMzOTQxMTc http://store.apple.com/uk/browse/home/shop_mac/family/mac_mi...
goatforce5 15y ago
And it seems as though the (white plastic) MacBooks have gone.
- code_duck 15y ago
  Yep.. replaced by a $999 Air.
mml 15y ago
and the rumored thunderbolt display
eli 15y ago
Still only 4gb max memory on the Airs? That's the one thing holding me back (well, besides money)
- peng 15y ago
  I've been using a 13" MBA as my main computer for the past year, and the 4GB max is really limiting for virtualization. The laptop can choke with with all of my usual tools open (Virtualbox/Photoshop/Chrome/Terminal).
  - eli 15y ago
    Yup, I know I can get away with 4GB if I'm careful because that's what my current 2007 MBP has. But will I still be able to use the Air for work when it's that old? I suspect 4GB will be comically small in 2015.

blinkingled 15y ago

How is the backwards compatibility in general? I got a Oracle 10g database running on SL that I am particularly worried about. I got it anyways - will have to do a full backup and find out I suppose. Speaking of 4GB downloads - OS X still does not have something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Background_Intelligent_Transfer_Service http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Background_Intelligent_Transfer... which can utilize priorities, throttling and do idle bandwidth downloads. That means my VOIP calls are screwed until the download is done. Even any of the Apple routers don't do QoS stuff I guess. [Edit] Apparently the backwards compat is not good enough for Oracle :( - -bash: ulimit: max user processes: cannot modify limit: Invalid argument oracle@~$ sqlplus / as sysdba Segmentation fault: 11 oracle@~$ [Edit2] And the scrollbars are throwing me off but there is a setting to revert to old behavior. Xcode no longer works, JVM was removed and downloaded when I tried to use it - App Store doesn't seem to have a 10.7 compatible XCode update yet. Ho hum for the most part and even nightmarish for people using Xcode.

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shorbaji 15y ago
For compatibility in general, http://roaringapps.com/ http://roaringapps.com/ looks like a decent guide. Not sure about Oracle 10g though.
masklinn 15y ago
> Xcode is no longer there It was never part of the base install so that's unsurprising. > App Store doesn't seem to have a 10.7 compatible XCode update yet. > Ho hum for the most part and even nightmarish for people using Xcode. Thanks for being the coalmine canary, I'll be waiting for next week as planned.
- jonknee 15y ago
  > It was never part of the base install so that's unsurprising. No, but it was always included along with the install disks. No install disks this time and no X Code. It's worth mentioning.

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wesley 15y ago

Does anyone know of a scanner software that supports 8ish year old scanners? (epson in particular) Since rosetta is not supported any longer, lots of scanners will not be working..

gte910h 15y ago
If you have to update, the newer scansnaps are fantastic for feed scanners. Worth every dollar of the 300-500 price tag.
Jakob 15y ago
Vuescan supports a lot of scanners: http://www.hamrick.com/vuescan/vuescan.htm#supported http://www.hamrick.com/vuescan/vuescan.htm#supported

sgt 15y ago

I'm not going to buy it unless I can buy a DVD with OS X Lion on it. Too much to transfer over a poor bandwidth mobile connection.

Tyrannosaurs 15y ago
You'll be able to get a USB stick with it on from next month apparently though at $69 it's fairly steep.
rtrunck 15y ago
If you can make it to an Apple store you can apparently download it from there. http://9to5mac.com/2011/07/19/apple-retail-has-3-lion-install-images-and-a-possible-dedicated-lion-caching-server/ http://9to5mac.com/2011/07/19/apple-retail-has-3-lion-instal...

mml 15y ago

just installed on a second mac, notice that airdrop is nowhere to be seen (though it's on the GM).

masklinn 15y ago
It's in the Lion features page, so it's probably there. But not all models are supported: AirDrop supports the following Mac models: * MacBook Pro (Late 2008 or newer) * MacBook Air (Late 2010 or newer) * MacBook (Late 2008 or newer) * iMac (Early 2009 or newer) * Mac mini (Mid 2010 or newer) * Mac Pro (Early 2009 with AirPort Extreme card, or Mid 2010)
- mml 15y ago
  dammit, my mbp2,2 apparently doesn't make the cut. too bad. will have to go buy a new one :)

mindhunter 15y ago

"Preparing to install. Your computer will restart automaticly." Wait - what? Didn't they say update without restart? I told all my friends how cool it is - the first OS updating itself without a restart. .... "Click Restart to install Mac OS X." Okay.jpg

ugh 15y ago
They never said that.
- rimantas 15y ago
  It was a bit more subtle. I think the point was, that you don't have to restart your machine to begin the installation.
  - daeken 15y ago
    That's new? The Windows and Linux camps have had that for >6 years.
    - danieldk 15y ago
      If your kernel is updated, you need to reload the kernel in some manner. Linux has kexec, but requires you to shut down services and reload the kernel nonetheless.
      - daeken 15y ago
        But you can certainly start the upgrade. You can perform the majority of it, in fact.
- mindhunter 15y ago
  you're right, i misunderstood it.
code_duck 15y ago
What would the point of that be, really? The one time every two years you upgrade your OS, you don't have to reboot, saving 15 seconds a year?

mars 15y ago

i installed the developer preview of os-x lion some weeks ago. following are my first impressions. let me know how you think... performance: at first i thought lions performance sucks, but mdworker and kextcache processes are re-initializing spotlight right after installation which slows down the system and heats up the cpu. after two hours of fan-noise and heat the system seems to be fine and is running smoothly now. mail: the new mail is great. finally email conversations are grouped. it features a new 3-column view, which imho is sub-optimal when working with loads of emails. fortunately the classic view also supports grouped conversations. i like launchpad: well guys. this is a super use-less feature, as i setup my application folder as a dock-folder anyhow. for me at least there's no need to have an ios view of apps on a desktop computer or notebook. mission control: this actually combines spaces and expose. unfortunately it adds nothing to my personal workflow as i rarely use those features. calendar: the new calendar is actually a huge disappointment as i'm working with mutliple calendars of different people (synched via google calendar). it's not possible anymore to permanently display the list of calendars in a sidebar. this suxx big time. besides that the switching of calendars with the new dropdown kind of list is totally unreliable and the calendars don't seem to update properly when working with multiple windows :( i'll probably have to switch to google calendar or something else. any recommendations for a good calendar desktop app for os-x which can handle multiple gcal accounts? trim support for ssd: finally there's trim support for ssd drives. this is totally overdue since windows and linux support this since quite a long time. i know that this is more a long term performance feature, but actually hoped that this would increase my ssd performance. unfortunately the xbench results did not get any better. sidenode: i'm not really convinced from the ssd performance under os-x (maybe it's the apple ssds which aren't that good, but colleagues have much much better results with linux). versions the integrated document versioning is quite cool and i'm sure this will save my * at some point in the future :) conclusion well as stated above there are some good things about lion like mail, versions and trim support, but also several downsides. i actually expected more and am a bit disappointed. there are also some other features, like fullscreen support for apps and airdrop which i didnt really test yet... cheers

quizbiz 15y ago
re:calendar for multiple gcal accounts Try BusyCal though I am in a similar situation and havn't found a good fit.

Nemisis7654 15y ago

I have been a Windows user since I started using computers. I am thinking of purchasing a Macbook Air. As a young programmer (going into fifth year of college), would anyone recommend this laptop?

ams6110 15y ago
Only if ultra light weight and portability are primary concerns. A standard MacBook Pro is a better value otherwise, IMO.
- checker 15y ago
  After using my first MBP for a while, I'm kind of regretting getting the 15 inch. With the high-res screen, and as long as you have good eyes, the 13 seems just as functional and more portable. I love using my girlfriend's. My two cents, if Nemesis ends up going with a MBP.
  - rrrazdan 15y ago
    There is no option to upgrade to high-res(higher-res) screen on the 13 inch. I think I am pretty sure on that. Just the plain 1280x800.
    - checker 15y ago
      You are correct. Sorry about that.
  - hcal 15y ago
    I sold my older 15in MBP to get a unibody 13MBP. I lasted 4 months before selling the 13 to go back to 15in (thank goodness for high resell values.) The little bit of extra space just makes it so much easier to juggle open windows and see data from different programs while working. People think I'm a major multitasker with they see all my open windows, but really I'm working on one task with lots of varied inputs. I'm a little worried that Lion might take this away from me, with its emphasis on single window apps.

c1sc0 15y ago

Anyone been running Xcode on Lion? I've kind of ignored the seeds & would like to know if it's safe to update my dev workstation, or wait until after a few updates?

danieldk 15y ago
Lion + Xcode 4.1 GM crashes a few times per day while doing C++ coding on a fairly small project. Besides that, I do not see Xcode 4.1 in the App Store yet, so it's currently only available with a Mac Developer Account.
- megablast 15y ago
  If it is anything like last time, you will have to get this new OS for the next version for Xcode. Which sucks, since you already have to update itunes and your devices. It is turning into a few hours project to update everything.
- masklinn 15y ago
  Xcode 4.1 has now been released in MAS.

pwthornton 15y ago

You can now get a Mac Mini with discrete graphics. If the hard drive can be replaced -- unlike the iMac -- I'd be tempted to do a Mac Mini with discrete graphics, 8 GB ram and an SSD. Apple now offers a SSD option, but it's a $600 upgrade.

arihant 15y ago

It's available on Indian store too. I guess this is global.

ComputerGuru 15y ago

For all the Mac Developers on ADC: This is, to the best of my knowledge and according to reports from other developers, the same as the GM release on July 1st. If you have that, you already have the final.

sleepyhead 15y ago
Should have known that before I clicked 'buy'. Glad I own Apple shares so I can make a profit from my unnecessary purchase.
- ryannielsen 15y ago
  If you'd redeemed the codes Apple gave you as a registered developer, you wouldn't have been able to buy Lion – it was already purchased by your last redemption code and, like all previously purchased App Store apps, clicking that button would simply have re-downloaded the app (or, in this case, Lion's installer).
cmelbye 15y ago
Yikes, really? I'm still hitting a few pretty big bugs with full-screen apps and things like that. Okay then.

ry0ohki 15y ago

The reversing of the scrolling direction is certainly going to take a lot of getting used to. The new way feels semi-natural with the track pad, but with a mouse wheel not so much.

AndyJPartridge 15y ago
You can put it back the old way in the system preferences. Thank god!
tedkimble 15y ago
Give it a few days and you'll think going back to the old way will take a lot of getting used to.
- AndyJPartridge 15y ago
  I gave it about two hours. To me it's more intuitive to scroll my two fingers down to scroll down the page. Granted, it is odd that it's the opposite way round on the iPhone which I use almost as much as my laptop. Go figure!
  - masklinn 15y ago
    > Granted, it is odd that it's the opposite way round on the iPhone which I use almost as much as my laptop. Go figure! It's pretty simple: on a touchscreen you're moving the application itself. So having the application "stick" to your finger makes intuitive sense, that's like moving a sheet of paper on a desk, behind a stencil. On a laptop, you're not really moving the application itself, it's closer to moving a remote-controlled window in front of the application, so moving "up" will move the "window" upwards, and show you what's above the current stuff in the process.
funkah 15y ago
Agreed on both counts. I think it's too unnatural with a mouse so I switched it back on the desktop. On my laptop I left it alone.

rrrazdan 15y ago

Anyone have any idea on how I can redeem the "free Lion upgrade" on my newly bought Mac?

D4236 15y ago
Looks like you can punch your serial here: http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?partNumber=MD202Z/A http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?...
- rrrazdan 15y ago
  Apparently I cant and the links arent available for India right now. http://www.apple.com/in/macosx/uptodate/ http://www.apple.com/in/macosx/uptodate/

jamesu 15y ago

I feel greatly let down by the Calendar and Address book apps. The whole "looks like a real office object" metaphor reminds me too much of Microsoft Bob. Also the menu to select calendars feels poorly designed and doesn't always update correctly. The default view in mail is practically useless to me as often i tend to sort messages by date, person, or subject in order to find stuff. So in some regards a step forwards, in others a step back.

lean 15y ago
A show of hands, does anyone use these apps? I haven't used anything but a web interface for webapps for a while now. iCal and Address Book are always among the first things deleted by me on a new OSX install.
- X-Istence 15y ago
  I use those apps. I prefer not to use web based applications.
- cdcarter 15y ago
  Yes, many people do.
- jamesu 15y ago
  I have yet to find equivalent web apps which offer equivalent security and poweruser capabilities.
- ditojim 15y ago
  i also use web apps for my mail and calendar.

benhebert 15y ago

I just installed it now. I run a dual screen iMac at work, but a 13 inch MB Pro at home. I think it will be a lot more useful with the macbook.

sigzero 15y ago

Does Lion "reset" the file system? I have stuff like Perl and Python that I installed myself. Some stuff resides in /usr/local/bin and other stuff in ~/Library/. Was wondering if that all got wiped on the install?

ben1040 15y ago
All my /usr/local remained intact on upgrade. I believe this was the standard behavior with an upgrade install on previous OS X releases, and it got moved out of the way when you did an "archive and install." I couldn't even find an option to archive and install on Lion, does it even exist? I would rather have done that and gotten rid of all the cruft I've accumulated.
- sigzero 15y ago
  I was thinking of the cruft as well. But don't want to lose my iTunes settings etc.

bengl3rt 15y ago

I'll echo what I said on the Siracusa thread: Has everyone managed to overlook how patently awful and useless Mission Control is on multiple monitors? Whereas in the Spaces view in Snow Leopard I could move a window to a different space AND a different monitor with a quick drag, Mission Control doesn't allow this - I have to first move the window to the correct "Desktop", then exit MC and drag it to the correct monitor. Full Screen Apps are similarly useless on multiple monitors - regardless of which monitor the window originates on, clicking the full screen button returns it to whatever display is designated "primary". Even worse, while you're in full screen on one display, the others become useless as it blocks them out with Apple's new favorite canvas texture. Why? At first I thought all this was intentional and that Apple was leaving multi-monitor users in the dust to focus on Macs that are very close to iOS devices (11" Macbook Air comes to mind), but today they also announced a new Cinema Display that lets you daisy chain two monitors off a single Thunderbolt port. Clearly it's still a mode of operation they intend to support for some time - so why have they crippled it so horribly in this release?

vito 15y ago
I wish they would go the xmonad route, and simply treat each display as an independent "workspace container". Being able to switch independently (and still use the other display when using a fullscreen app) is a huge productivity gain.
- bengl3rt 15y ago
  This past week a co-worker introduced me to Moom... he said it was the closest he would ever get to xmonad on the Mac: http://manytricks.com/moom/ http://manytricks.com/moom/
- zcid 15y ago
  This is the main reason I use linux on my mbp instead of os x. Being unable to manipulate my monitors independently is asinine.
masklinn 15y ago
> so why have they crippled it so horribly in this release? I'm guessing it's because they decided to put full-screen apps on their own space (sensible), but there's nothing else you can put in there since the application essentially is the space (if you shut down the full-screen mode, the application goes back to its original space). Basically, lack of foresight: they built full-screen for small-screen machines (e.g. the Air) and it's just broken for multi-screen.

scottschulthess 15y ago

I really wish there was a way to name spaces in Mission Control

protomyth 15y ago

Xcode is free for Lion http://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/xcode/id448457090?mt=12 http://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/xcode/id448457090?mt=12

ANH 15y ago

I've been using the developer previews, including the GM, and OpenGL performance seems to be better. Haven't run any proper tests, but my 3D stuff does seem zippier in most cases. Still, I'll probably wait until XCode functions okay before overwriting my Snow Leopard install.

postit 15y ago
No full opengl 3.0 support. I'm a bit disappointed
- astrange 15y ago
  Lion fully supports OpenGL 3.2 Core Profile, but not Compatibility Profile. If you're checking the version in OpenGL Extensions Viewer, get v4 and change to Core profile.

gte910h 15y ago

If you are a windows user and adore the scrolling functionality: WheelUp:: Send {WheelDown} Return WheelDown:: Send {WheelUp} Return Autohotkey is your savior :OD

mitchty 15y ago

Anyone that has it, will it fit on a 4g usb stick or should I buy an 8 before I get home?

callahad 15y ago
Disk Utility refused to write the image to a 4 GB stick, complaining about limited space. An 8 GB stick worked just fine.
- mitchty 15y ago
  Looks like its a 4.18g uncompressed disk image actually.

cube 15y ago

Nice update, but I hate how they changed spaces. No grid possible anymore?! I relied heavily on switching between spaces in a non-linear way.

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bodyfour 15y ago

"The software could not be verified. It may have been corrupted or tampered with during downloading." Not off to a great start here... Anybody else having this problem? [edit: deleted it; downloaded it again from my employers network (completely different ISP just in case a particular CDN had a bad copy. Same problem! Starting to think there's a bug in the installer or something...]

LeeUmm 15y ago
I'm having the same issue so came here to search. Downloaded it twice and get the exact same error. Deleted and removed from trash the first time. Edit Reboot your machine. That worked for me. I can now install fine with the same 'corrupt' file I had before.
- bodyfour 15y ago
  I found an Apple Support thread where some others are reporting the same issue: https://discussions.apple.com/message/15660833#15660833 https://discussions.apple.com/message/15660833#15660833 I posted my md5's of the internal .dmg's from the download there. They're different from the two unsuccessful downloads but I suspect that's just App Store watermarking because they differ in so many places. Maybe someone here on HN knows the real story though.
  - bodyfour 15y ago
    Nope, no watermarking. My third download worked and I got an InstallESD.dmg md5 of b5d3753c62bfb69866e94dca9336a44a. Googling for that it seems to match what the torrent sites are serving up for the Gold Master build. It's odd that I had two failed downloads in a row... Either an app store bug or this MBP is maybe having memory issues or something. It's odd because I haven't had any issues like that before, and I tax it quite a bit. Or maybe this was just Apple's way of making me rationalize a MacBook Air purchase :-)
- bodyfour 15y ago
  Reboot didn't help for me, unfortunately. Still failed out with the same error after a minute or so.

kaffeinecoma 15y ago

Hmm, my two-finger swipe to move back/forward in browser history via Magic Mouse seems to invoke Spaces/Mission Control now. Anyone know how to fix that? Or what the new gesture for browser nav might be? I don't see anything helpful in System Prefs for that.

gmurphy 15y ago

A small word of warning: I mostly use Windows 7 on my MacBook Air, but I decided to upgrade anyway. Unfortunately for me, the upgrade rendered my Bootcamp partition inaccessible (it doesn't show up in startup disks, and does show up in Disk Utility, but cannot be repaired).

owyn 15y ago
Wow, thanks for the warning. I was just about to upgrade. I have an entire drive devoted to Boot Camp I'll probably be okay? It looks like there is one error situation detected during install: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4649 http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4649 The anandtech review implies that boot camp assistant works and the boot camp drivers (a separate download) are now 4.0 but I can't actually find them, I assume the apple updater has them. http://www.anandtech.com/show/4485/back-to-the-mac-os-x-107-lion-review/20 http://www.anandtech.com/show/4485/back-to-the-mac-os-x-107-... I suspect it is probably because Lion adds a new Recovery Partition, and when it redoes the partition layout it doesn't take the boot camp partition into account. That's kind of a scary oversight.
- gmurphy 15y ago
  Many other people have had success, but so far there doesn't seem to be a common thread between the people who've had failures.

blaenk 15y ago

Does anyone know if there's a way to download it on one mac, and somehow transfer it to another so that one doesn't have to download it multiple times through the mac app store?

famousactress 15y ago
Yep. It's covered briefly in the linked review, but the download just puts an item in your Applications folder that can be copied to whatever and installed wherever. The license agreement even okays it for a few machines, I believe.
- blaenk 15y ago
  Thank you very much!

harto 15y ago

I never got around to upgrading from 10.5 - does anyone know if there's a way to upgrade straight to this new release? (Guessing probably not.)

tree_of_item 15y ago

Tried to update to Lion: couldn't do it. Tried to update Snow Leopard so I could update to Lion: computer now kernel panics on boot. Tried to reinstall Snow Leopard from DVD: turns out the disk drive is broken. Tried to install a Linux distro from a USB key: turns out they're nearly impossible to boot on a Mac. Still haven't figured out how to do it. This went well.

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joeskerbec 15y ago
This is why i cloned my drive to an external drive prior to the upgrade. Just in case.
tedkalaw 15y ago
I tried to install Lion after purchasing it from the App Store. It kernel panicked during install and then TRAPPED ME at the installer. Despite restarting, using disk utility, etc, I was stuck. I erased the partition and tried to install again. Kernel panic. I tried putting Lion on a USB drive. Again, kernel panic In my desperation I just kept running the installer over and over again and ONE TIME it worked. I was so pleased - until it kernel panicked on restart. Still, it's working now. It will kernel panic every now and then. When I look at the logs for the kernel panics, the last kext loaded almost always has to do with networking/WIFI. This seems to be a relatively common.
- gcr 15y ago
  Was SL more stable?
marchdown 15y ago
I have recently tried (yet again) to make some bootable USB keys on a mac. Turns out you have to convert iso to UDxx: $ hdiutil convert -format UDRW -o bootable.img bootable.iso && dd if=bootable.img of=/dev/disk1 bs=1m # Check the disk number with diskutil list! If it still won't boot, rEFIt (or Boot Camp, naturally) help with BIOS emulation.

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