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s/\([Ee]vil\)ness/\1/g The noun form of "evil" is "evil".

by jessaustin 5y ago

chipotle_coyote 5y ago
A synonym for the noun "evil" is the noun "evilness", just as a synonym for the noun "good" is the noun "goodness".
- arthurcolle 5y ago
  Thought police are on the way - that's not how you spell double-plus-good
mumblemumble 5y ago
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/evilness#Noun https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/evilness#Noun Can't even complain that it's a neologism and kids these days with their bad grammar; "yfelnyss" would appear to predate the Normans. Nor is "evil" in the noun sense a great synonym for "evilness" in the noun sense. "Evilness" denotes the state of being bad, while "evil" denotes the badness itself. Evilness is the correct word here. Using "evil" would have been, if we want to be really pedantic (I hope I can safely assume that we do), been mildly nonsensical.
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- jessaustin 5y ago
  Good point! I can hardly complain of modern abuses of the language, given what the Saxons did to it. I await the seemingly inevitable "evilnessness". [EDIT:] However, I can't agree that TFA is about "the state" of feature branching, or really even that feature branching is an entity that can possess a state. According to TFA, feature branching is bad. That's an intrinsic property, not one that feature branching will be able to overcome with appropriate prayer and reflection. This is usually the case when abstract nouns are considered evil, so "evilness" is usually poor diction.
- kazinator 5y ago
  I'm afraid that this is simply a hypercorrection by analogy to color and such. Indeed, we could not say "the black of feature branches"; it would have to be "blackness". Something that is black (adjective-wise) doesn't "have black" (the noun); it "has blackness". The word "evil" doesn't conform to this restriction; "the evil of feature branches" is fine. Therefore "evilness" is just superfluousnessitude. The word "bad" is color-like. We need "the badness of feature branches", not "the bad of feature branches". But "evil" functions in such a way that it can substitute for "badness", and therefore for "evilness". When we say "the evil of feature branches", the grammar is very similar to "the hypocrisy of using feature branches" or "the iniquity of using feature branches" or "the stink of feature branches" and such. None of these words require an additional suffix; "stink" need not be worked into "stinkiness".
  - jessaustin 5y ago
    You exhibit a more complete command of English idiom than seen elsewhere in this sub-thread. One suspects that many of the people making these sorts of mechanical arguments haven't actually done much reading in English.
jcranmer 5y ago
"evil" and "evilness" are not interchangeably usable, especially if you talk about the evil/evilness of X. The evil of X (or more frequently, evils of X) refers to the evil things that have been caused by X. This does not speak to whether or not X itself is evil, except insofar as doing evil is a sign of evilness. By contrast, the evilness of X is directly referring to the degree to which X is or is not evil (although were X not evil, you'd be more likely to talk about the goodness rather than evilness of X). For an analogous example, try replacing "lightness" with "light" in a discussion about color and see how much sense the text makes afterwards.
- CRConrad 5y ago
  > For an analogous example, try replacing "lightness" with "light" in a discussion about color and see how much sense the text makes afterwards. Yeah, that'll get really weird really fast, what with "lightness" being about weight and not colour, and all...
krypton2k 5y ago
It should probably be "evils"

s/\([Ee]vil\)ness/\1/g The noun form of "evil" is "evil".

chipotle_coyote 5y ago

A synonym for the noun "evil" is the noun "evilness", just as a synonym for the noun "good" is the noun "goodness".

arthurcolle 5y ago
Thought police are on the way - that's not how you spell double-plus-good

mumblemumble 5y ago

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/evilness#Noun https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/evilness#Noun Can't even complain that it's a neologism and kids these days with their bad grammar; "yfelnyss" would appear to predate the Normans. Nor is "evil" in the noun sense a great synonym for "evilness" in the noun sense. "Evilness" denotes the state of being bad, while "evil" denotes the badness itself. Evilness is the correct word here. Using "evil" would have been, if we want to be really pedantic (I hope I can safely assume that we do), been mildly nonsensical.

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jessaustin 5y ago
Good point! I can hardly complain of modern abuses of the language, given what the Saxons did to it. I await the seemingly inevitable "evilnessness". [EDIT:] However, I can't agree that TFA is about "the state" of feature branching, or really even that feature branching is an entity that can possess a state. According to TFA, feature branching is bad. That's an intrinsic property, not one that feature branching will be able to overcome with appropriate prayer and reflection. This is usually the case when abstract nouns are considered evil, so "evilness" is usually poor diction.
kazinator 5y ago
I'm afraid that this is simply a hypercorrection by analogy to color and such. Indeed, we could not say "the black of feature branches"; it would have to be "blackness". Something that is black (adjective-wise) doesn't "have black" (the noun); it "has blackness". The word "evil" doesn't conform to this restriction; "the evil of feature branches" is fine. Therefore "evilness" is just superfluousnessitude. The word "bad" is color-like. We need "the badness of feature branches", not "the bad of feature branches". But "evil" functions in such a way that it can substitute for "badness", and therefore for "evilness". When we say "the evil of feature branches", the grammar is very similar to "the hypocrisy of using feature branches" or "the iniquity of using feature branches" or "the stink of feature branches" and such. None of these words require an additional suffix; "stink" need not be worked into "stinkiness".
- jessaustin 5y ago
  You exhibit a more complete command of English idiom than seen elsewhere in this sub-thread. One suspects that many of the people making these sorts of mechanical arguments haven't actually done much reading in English.

jcranmer 5y ago

"evil" and "evilness" are not interchangeably usable, especially if you talk about the evil/evilness of X. The evil of X (or more frequently, evils of X) refers to the evil things that have been caused by X. This does not speak to whether or not X itself is evil, except insofar as doing evil is a sign of evilness. By contrast, the evilness of X is directly referring to the degree to which X is or is not evil (although were X not evil, you'd be more likely to talk about the goodness rather than evilness of X). For an analogous example, try replacing "lightness" with "light" in a discussion about color and see how much sense the text makes afterwards.

CRConrad 5y ago
> For an analogous example, try replacing "lightness" with "light" in a discussion about color and see how much sense the text makes afterwards. Yeah, that'll get really weird really fast, what with "lightness" being about weight and not colour, and all...

krypton2k 5y ago

It should probably be "evils"