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> I said I'm sure you will find fault with it. Predictable. If the allegations are not supported by evidence then it's natural that anyone finds faults. That,

by rualca 5y ago

> I said I'm sure you will find fault with it. Predictable. If the allegations are not supported by evidence then it's natural that anyone finds faults. That, and your ad hominem, says everything about your accusations. > Those 'minor incidents' are two a penny. Even at the better schools kids regularly use drugs. If that is supposed to be any close to the truth then how do you explain the complete lack of evidence or even anecdotal accounts? I mean, can you actually support any of your claims about the alleged torrent of cases that is everywhere but also nowhere to be seen?

jacquesm 5y ago
Yes, I can, see links in this thread. And plenty of them elsewhere, but all in dutch. Google terms "site:.nl drugsgebruik middelbare scholen nederland" "site:.nl drugsgebruik lagere scholen nederland". Enjoy. And if a school in NL claims that they don't have a drug issue: find out if they really don't or if they are simply closing their eyes because it's too uncomfortable to discuss. There is no evidence that schools in nl do not have a drug problem, but there is plenty of evidence that they do. For instance, an article about Arnhem: https://nos.nl/artikel/2322862-steeds-meer-blowende-jongeren-arnhemse-scholen-luiden-noodklok https://nos.nl/artikel/2322862-steeds-meer-blowende-jongeren...
- the-dude 5y ago
  Loosely translated into English : Trimbos ( a Dutch drug use non-profit ) says : "we don't see a significant rise in drug use among the youth. 9% of youth between 12 and 16 has used cannabis at a particular time". BTW, the whole article is about cannabis. Is this what you are worked up about? The numbers sound about the same for my cohort, and our teachers were well aware, also who we were and it was discussed openly in class. And we felt safe enough to be open about it as well. You seem particular puritan. One needs to remember the Dutch voted for gedoogbeleid ( laissez faire policy ) and it has been in place since the 80s.
- rualca 5y ago
  > Yes, I can, see links in this thread. No, I really can't. So far you've been unable and unwilling to do so. I see a lot of posts from you with unsubstantiated allegations followed up by desperate ad hominems. And when you are pressed about it, you hand-waive, deflect, and redirect. I repeat: if there were a tenth of the cases you alleged then you would have zero problems presenting a single convincing example. But you even failed at presenting any relevant case at all. Please read the link you just provided. It states the exact opposite of what you're claiming. That was the best example you could come up with after so many ad hominem and after being repeatedly pressed to support your unsubstantiated allegations. Your dozen of scaremongering posts in this discussion boil down to that, the absolute best example you manage to put together. And it contradicts your claims. You should really reflect on what you're doing, because if you have a problem with reality not backing up your firmly held beliefs to the point you get so emotional about that delta then some contemplation is in order.

by rualca 5y ago

jacquesm 5y ago

Yes, I can, see links in this thread. And plenty of them elsewhere, but all in dutch. Google terms "site:.nl drugsgebruik middelbare scholen nederland" "site:.nl drugsgebruik lagere scholen nederland". Enjoy. And if a school in NL claims that they don't have a drug issue: find out if they really don't or if they are simply closing their eyes because it's too uncomfortable to discuss. There is no evidence that schools in nl do not have a drug problem, but there is plenty of evidence that they do. For instance, an article about Arnhem: https://nos.nl/artikel/2322862-steeds-meer-blowende-jongeren-arnhemse-scholen-luiden-noodklok https://nos.nl/artikel/2322862-steeds-meer-blowende-jongeren...

the-dude 5y ago
Loosely translated into English : Trimbos ( a Dutch drug use non-profit ) says : "we don't see a significant rise in drug use among the youth. 9% of youth between 12 and 16 has used cannabis at a particular time". BTW, the whole article is about cannabis. Is this what you are worked up about? The numbers sound about the same for my cohort, and our teachers were well aware, also who we were and it was discussed openly in class. And we felt safe enough to be open about it as well. You seem particular puritan. One needs to remember the Dutch voted for gedoogbeleid ( laissez faire policy ) and it has been in place since the 80s.
rualca 5y ago
> Yes, I can, see links in this thread. No, I really can't. So far you've been unable and unwilling to do so. I see a lot of posts from you with unsubstantiated allegations followed up by desperate ad hominems. And when you are pressed about it, you hand-waive, deflect, and redirect. I repeat: if there were a tenth of the cases you alleged then you would have zero problems presenting a single convincing example. But you even failed at presenting any relevant case at all. Please read the link you just provided. It states the exact opposite of what you're claiming. That was the best example you could come up with after so many ad hominem and after being repeatedly pressed to support your unsubstantiated allegations. Your dozen of scaremongering posts in this discussion boil down to that, the absolute best example you manage to put together. And it contradicts your claims. You should really reflect on what you're doing, because if you have a problem with reality not backing up your firmly held beliefs to the point you get so emotional about that delta then some contemplation is in order.