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yeah i can't play MMOs, yay i can't play most multiplayer games, yay i can't play most AAA titles because of DRMs, yay proton is a waste of time most of the

yeah i can't play MMOs, yay i can't play most multiplayer games, yay i can't play most AAA titles because of DRMs, yay proton is a waste of time most of the time you have to fiddle with weird settings, portable console appeal more to casual people, majority of them are tech illiterates, if something bug or doesn't work properly and requires tweaks, it'll backfire at both the devs (they bought the game after all), and valve (they bought the console) if they don't push native builds, it'll flop due to lack of proper NATIVE ecosystem "daddy, why this game doesn't work, this console sucks" this only asks for a proper windows based machine, if XBOX releases their XBOX portable, it's game over for valve

theandrewbailey 5y ago
> yeah i can't play MMOs, yay > i can't play most multiplayer games, yay > i can't play most AAA titles because of DRMs, yay That's on the developers and publishers. > proton is a waste of time It works well enough for a lot of people. > most of the time you have to fiddle with weird settings, portable console appeal more to casual people, majority of them are tech illiterates, if something bug or doesn't work properly and requires tweaks, it'll backfire at both the devs (they bought the game after all), and valve (they bought the console) That sounds like PC gaming in general. If you're talking about Proton messing up, there's lots of warnings that things might not work right. > if they don't push native builds, it'll flop due to lack of proper NATIVE ecosystem Way to miss my point. There's lots of games with native Linux versions: https://store.steampowered.com/search/?&os=linux https://store.steampowered.com/search/?&os=linux <-- AFAIK, Steam's "os=linux" means without Proton.
- Shadonototro 5y ago
  but not the best sellers, because devs have no incentive to release native linux builds with that new console however it can change valve has to make it compelling for them, by lowering their tax for example
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  - vimacs2 5y ago
    Why on earth would you think trying to incentivise developers to release native Linux builds would be a more worthwhile investment than simply improving Proton? Linux desktop probably occupies about 2% of the steam market and that's being generous and assuming that their actual steam hardware surveys are underreporting adoption. Even assuming wild success on this products part, that would only drive that number up a few percent since I don't see production for these running particularly high. It might make more sense to encourage developers to provide proton support for anti cheat (like what Valve are actually doing leading up to this device's launch) rather than asking AAA developers to invest additional time on support that is arguably a waste of resources and certainly something of low priority. Aside from that, my own experiences with Proton are far more positive than yours. I've hardly ever had to tweak things for it to work. Occasionally, I need to use an older proton version for a game but that's hardly a chore.
    - Shadonototro 5y ago
      because that's the difference between: - supporting a platform and - hopping everything is compatible will they hook and reimplement EVERY WINDOWS APIs?, what about Windows 11? what about DX 12 and DX 12.1? Oh, now imagine that windows 11 now requires X security features that are impossible to emulate with proton, how will that work? native vs non-native that's the difference i'm not against Proton, i think it is a very nice idea to SUPPLEMENT my library nothing can beat native games, built for the device and its constrains and and an other WORSE thing CONTROLLER SUPPORT in steam valve never encouraged people to support controllers, WORSE, 99% of games expect you to use XBOX controller, as a result XBOX controller are displayed even if you use a DUALSHOCK one valve could have provided APIs so they can feed games with proper icons etc etc, but nothing so many wrong things, including the focus on proton as main selling point that's part of the reason why you'll see majority of people install Windows instead, and "the year of linux on the desktop" will yet again be killed due to poor decisions i'm kind of tired of trying to provide arguments, i reply to that kind of comment on a daily basis, it's painful to see linux people stuck with their WINE, it's WRONG, it's BAD, it's COUNTER PRODUCTIVE microsoft helped a lot to drive linux adoption up with their crappy Vista/Win8/10 releases, but yeah, let's focus on emulating a bloated OS instead! you don't come up with such a device over night, they had years to think about that, they focused on emulation we will see who was right in the end, i think i am

theandrewbailey 5y ago

> yeah i can't play MMOs, yay > i can't play most multiplayer games, yay > i can't play most AAA titles because of DRMs, yay That's on the developers and publishers. > proton is a waste of time It works well enough for a lot of people. > most of the time you have to fiddle with weird settings, portable console appeal more to casual people, majority of them are tech illiterates, if something bug or doesn't work properly and requires tweaks, it'll backfire at both the devs (they bought the game after all), and valve (they bought the console) That sounds like PC gaming in general. If you're talking about Proton messing up, there's lots of warnings that things might not work right. > if they don't push native builds, it'll flop due to lack of proper NATIVE ecosystem Way to miss my point. There's lots of games with native Linux versions: https://store.steampowered.com/search/?&os=linux https://store.steampowered.com/search/?&os=linux <-- AFAIK, Steam's "os=linux" means without Proton.

Shadonototro 5y ago
but not the best sellers, because devs have no incentive to release native linux builds with that new console however it can change valve has to make it compelling for them, by lowering their tax for example
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- vimacs2 5y ago
  Why on earth would you think trying to incentivise developers to release native Linux builds would be a more worthwhile investment than simply improving Proton? Linux desktop probably occupies about 2% of the steam market and that's being generous and assuming that their actual steam hardware surveys are underreporting adoption. Even assuming wild success on this products part, that would only drive that number up a few percent since I don't see production for these running particularly high. It might make more sense to encourage developers to provide proton support for anti cheat (like what Valve are actually doing leading up to this device's launch) rather than asking AAA developers to invest additional time on support that is arguably a waste of resources and certainly something of low priority. Aside from that, my own experiences with Proton are far more positive than yours. I've hardly ever had to tweak things for it to work. Occasionally, I need to use an older proton version for a game but that's hardly a chore.
  - Shadonototro 5y ago
    because that's the difference between: - supporting a platform and - hopping everything is compatible will they hook and reimplement EVERY WINDOWS APIs?, what about Windows 11? what about DX 12 and DX 12.1? Oh, now imagine that windows 11 now requires X security features that are impossible to emulate with proton, how will that work? native vs non-native that's the difference i'm not against Proton, i think it is a very nice idea to SUPPLEMENT my library nothing can beat native games, built for the device and its constrains and and an other WORSE thing CONTROLLER SUPPORT in steam valve never encouraged people to support controllers, WORSE, 99% of games expect you to use XBOX controller, as a result XBOX controller are displayed even if you use a DUALSHOCK one valve could have provided APIs so they can feed games with proper icons etc etc, but nothing so many wrong things, including the focus on proton as main selling point that's part of the reason why you'll see majority of people install Windows instead, and "the year of linux on the desktop" will yet again be killed due to poor decisions i'm kind of tired of trying to provide arguments, i reply to that kind of comment on a daily basis, it's painful to see linux people stuck with their WINE, it's WRONG, it's BAD, it's COUNTER PRODUCTIVE microsoft helped a lot to drive linux adoption up with their crappy Vista/Win8/10 releases, but yeah, let's focus on emulating a bloated OS instead! you don't come up with such a device over night, they had years to think about that, they focused on emulation we will see who was right in the end, i think i am