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Finally a linux gaming console Now valve, for the love of god, PUSH NATIVE LINUX GAMING, proton only as a way to supplement the library.. Reduce your steam ta

Finally a linux gaming console Now valve, for the love of god, PUSH NATIVE LINUX GAMING, proton only as a way to supplement the library.. Reduce your steam tax for the companies that provide a native linux build I will not buy this if your main selling point is "proton" As for the price, 419€.. very bad marketing, 399€ would have been perfect... you got greedy for 20€, that'll hurt sales

Forbo 5y ago
It looks like it is $399 USD, so the price point may mostly be a conversion thing. Edit: Just looked up the conversion rate, right now 399 USD is 288 GBP? Weird. The mid tier is 529 USD, so something like 382 GBP. Upper tier is 649 USD, or 468 GBP.
- Shadonototro 5y ago
  Ah, 399 USD sounds already better
- madpata 5y ago
  1€ ~= 1.18$ US So, probably not just a conversion thing
- levital 5y ago
  $399US is ~338€ though. Even adding in 19% VAT we'd come out at a nice round 400€, so I don't really understand the 419€, which is just a weird number from a marketing perspective as well. That we're getting overcharged on this side of the Atlantic isn't new though, but happens with basically everything.
  - _flux 5y ago
    And if you add 5% for import duty, you get a number very close to 419 EUR. I don't however know how much the import duty is, it seems to be a number that is very difficult to find :).
  - Ekaros 5y ago
    With 24-27% VAT in use in some countries it comes to exactly 419€, which might explain the price. As they really don't charge different price per country in Europe.
- jvzr 5y ago
  Isn't that a tax thing? Prices in Europe are displayed VAT-included, while prices in the US are VAT-free, are they not?
- panzagl 5y ago
  VAT?
eropple 5y ago
> Reduce your steam tax for the companies that provide a native linux build The idea that this would move the needle seems like wishcasting. Ten percent less of 0.89% of the Steam hardware survey is a couch-cushions rounding error. Meanwhile, Proton is a really good way to get hold of that rounding error as-is and works with surprisingly few problems across most games I've tried; For the amount of noise that 0.89% of the audience makes, Valve's spent quite a lot of time-and-effort to come up with something that works quite well.
theandrewbailey 5y ago
Where have you been? Valve has been pushing native Linux games for about 10 years. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTcxMTY https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTcxMTY
- Shadonototro 5y ago
  yeah i can't play MMOs, yay i can't play most multiplayer games, yay i can't play most AAA titles because of DRMs, yay proton is a waste of time most of the time you have to fiddle with weird settings, portable console appeal more to casual people, majority of them are tech illiterates, if something bug or doesn't work properly and requires tweaks, it'll backfire at both the devs (they bought the game after all), and valve (they bought the console) if they don't push native builds, it'll flop due to lack of proper NATIVE ecosystem "daddy, why this game doesn't work, this console sucks" this only asks for a proper windows based machine, if XBOX releases their XBOX portable, it's game over for valve
  - theandrewbailey 5y ago
    > yeah i can't play MMOs, yay > i can't play most multiplayer games, yay > i can't play most AAA titles because of DRMs, yay That's on the developers and publishers. > proton is a waste of time It works well enough for a lot of people. > most of the time you have to fiddle with weird settings, portable console appeal more to casual people, majority of them are tech illiterates, if something bug or doesn't work properly and requires tweaks, it'll backfire at both the devs (they bought the game after all), and valve (they bought the console) That sounds like PC gaming in general. If you're talking about Proton messing up, there's lots of warnings that things might not work right. > if they don't push native builds, it'll flop due to lack of proper NATIVE ecosystem Way to miss my point. There's lots of games with native Linux versions: https://store.steampowered.com/search/?&os=linux https://store.steampowered.com/search/?&os=linux <-- AFAIK, Steam's "os=linux" means without Proton.
    - Shadonototro 5y ago
      but not the best sellers, because devs have no incentive to release native linux builds with that new console however it can change valve has to make it compelling for them, by lowering their tax for example

Forbo 5y ago

It looks like it is $399 USD, so the price point may mostly be a conversion thing. Edit: Just looked up the conversion rate, right now 399 USD is 288 GBP? Weird. The mid tier is 529 USD, so something like 382 GBP. Upper tier is 649 USD, or 468 GBP.

Shadonototro 5y ago
Ah, 399 USD sounds already better
madpata 5y ago
1€ ~= 1.18$ US So, probably not just a conversion thing
levital 5y ago
$399US is ~338€ though. Even adding in 19% VAT we'd come out at a nice round 400€, so I don't really understand the 419€, which is just a weird number from a marketing perspective as well. That we're getting overcharged on this side of the Atlantic isn't new though, but happens with basically everything.
- _flux 5y ago
  And if you add 5% for import duty, you get a number very close to 419 EUR. I don't however know how much the import duty is, it seems to be a number that is very difficult to find :).
- Ekaros 5y ago
  With 24-27% VAT in use in some countries it comes to exactly 419€, which might explain the price. As they really don't charge different price per country in Europe.
jvzr 5y ago
Isn't that a tax thing? Prices in Europe are displayed VAT-included, while prices in the US are VAT-free, are they not?
panzagl 5y ago
VAT?

eropple 5y ago

> Reduce your steam tax for the companies that provide a native linux build The idea that this would move the needle seems like wishcasting. Ten percent less of 0.89% of the Steam hardware survey is a couch-cushions rounding error. Meanwhile, Proton is a really good way to get hold of that rounding error as-is and works with surprisingly few problems across most games I've tried; For the amount of noise that 0.89% of the audience makes, Valve's spent quite a lot of time-and-effort to come up with something that works quite well.

theandrewbailey 5y ago

Where have you been? Valve has been pushing native Linux games for about 10 years. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTcxMTY https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTcxMTY

Shadonototro 5y ago
yeah i can't play MMOs, yay i can't play most multiplayer games, yay i can't play most AAA titles because of DRMs, yay proton is a waste of time most of the time you have to fiddle with weird settings, portable console appeal more to casual people, majority of them are tech illiterates, if something bug or doesn't work properly and requires tweaks, it'll backfire at both the devs (they bought the game after all), and valve (they bought the console) if they don't push native builds, it'll flop due to lack of proper NATIVE ecosystem "daddy, why this game doesn't work, this console sucks" this only asks for a proper windows based machine, if XBOX releases their XBOX portable, it's game over for valve
- theandrewbailey 5y ago
  > yeah i can't play MMOs, yay > i can't play most multiplayer games, yay > i can't play most AAA titles because of DRMs, yay That's on the developers and publishers. > proton is a waste of time It works well enough for a lot of people. > most of the time you have to fiddle with weird settings, portable console appeal more to casual people, majority of them are tech illiterates, if something bug or doesn't work properly and requires tweaks, it'll backfire at both the devs (they bought the game after all), and valve (they bought the console) That sounds like PC gaming in general. If you're talking about Proton messing up, there's lots of warnings that things might not work right. > if they don't push native builds, it'll flop due to lack of proper NATIVE ecosystem Way to miss my point. There's lots of games with native Linux versions: https://store.steampowered.com/search/?&os=linux https://store.steampowered.com/search/?&os=linux <-- AFAIK, Steam's "os=linux" means without Proton.
  - Shadonototro 5y ago
    but not the best sellers, because devs have no incentive to release native linux builds with that new console however it can change valve has to make it compelling for them, by lowering their tax for example