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What is also interesting is the motivation of the people wanting to use CrowdTangle, etc to see the list of top posts. My guess, is that it less about learning

What is also interesting is the motivation of the people wanting to use CrowdTangle, etc to see the list of top posts. My guess, is that it less about learning what is the top post, but more about using that information as a way to try to pressure Facebook to censor content they don't like.

tablespoon 5y ago
> ...but more about using that information as a way to try to pressure Facebook to censor content they don't like. That's far too simplistic of a take. Facebook and social media amplifying partisan shit-stirrers and misinformation over more sober voices should be seen as a serious issue, regardless of your ideological commitments.
- rscoots 5y ago
  Who at Facebook do you trust to decide who is a "sober voice" that will be artificially promoted after the organically popular are censored? What is this person's qualifications? How can they be held to account when they inevitably get it wrong? Where will the highly-transparent write-up detailing this decision making be published? Before these Q's are answered I don't want FB touching their algorithms at all.
- herbst 5y ago
  In my town there is a shizophrenic lady with a lot of weird signs, which partly are non readable partly outright dangerous should anyone believe that. If she is around, she defenitly is the most noticeable person. Yet we don't need to censor her, people can decide themself how much they read into this. The idea to mass censor mentally challenged people likely only increases their hate and gives them confirmation for their believes and even worse hides them from possible help. It's not the missinformation that is the issue IMO but the people who just follow it without fact checking.
sp332 5y ago
More fundamentally than asking for censorship is holding Facebook accountable for what content they are promoting. They've been caught multiple times allowing Ben Shapiro's page to break the rules that other pages have to follow [0]. They also keep claiming that they don't favor right-leaning content. Maybe this should be regulated or not, but at least we can call them out for lying about it. [0] https://popular.info/p/facebook-admits-ben-shapiro-is-breaking?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoyMzQyNzY4LCJwb3N0X2lkIjo2MTg4NjgsIl8iOiJHR1hRaiIsImlhdCI6MTYyNjM2Nzc4NywiZXhwIjoxNjI2MzcxMzg3LCJpc3MiOiJwdWItMTY2NCIsInN1YiI6InBvc3QtcmVhY3Rpb24ifQ.5-N-0ESr1avOTF_ev7WLo8HZ_koB0FuD8xtai9z-y0c https://popular.info/p/facebook-admits-ben-shapiro-is-breaki...
- hoopleh 5y ago
  What a trash media outlet. Btw Shapiro isn't really liked in the MAGA movement, he's considered establishment, a grifter, and a neocon. That being said, nothing he says is bigoted or racist, you just disagree with it. Learn to recognize that and we can all talk like adults again. Shouting racism just divides.
- throwaway4dang1 5y ago
  What a trash media outlet. Btw Shapiro isn't really liked in the MAGA movement, he's considered establishment, a grifter, and a neocon. That being said, nothing he says is bigoted or racist, you just disagree with it. Learn to recognize that and we can all talk like adults again. Shouting racism just divides.

tablespoon 5y ago

> ...but more about using that information as a way to try to pressure Facebook to censor content they don't like. That's far too simplistic of a take. Facebook and social media amplifying partisan shit-stirrers and misinformation over more sober voices should be seen as a serious issue, regardless of your ideological commitments.

rscoots 5y ago
Who at Facebook do you trust to decide who is a "sober voice" that will be artificially promoted after the organically popular are censored? What is this person's qualifications? How can they be held to account when they inevitably get it wrong? Where will the highly-transparent write-up detailing this decision making be published? Before these Q's are answered I don't want FB touching their algorithms at all.
herbst 5y ago
In my town there is a shizophrenic lady with a lot of weird signs, which partly are non readable partly outright dangerous should anyone believe that. If she is around, she defenitly is the most noticeable person. Yet we don't need to censor her, people can decide themself how much they read into this. The idea to mass censor mentally challenged people likely only increases their hate and gives them confirmation for their believes and even worse hides them from possible help. It's not the missinformation that is the issue IMO but the people who just follow it without fact checking.

sp332 5y ago

More fundamentally than asking for censorship is holding Facebook accountable for what content they are promoting. They've been caught multiple times allowing Ben Shapiro's page to break the rules that other pages have to follow [0]. They also keep claiming that they don't favor right-leaning content. Maybe this should be regulated or not, but at least we can call them out for lying about it. [0] https://popular.info/p/facebook-admits-ben-shapiro-is-breaking?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoyMzQyNzY4LCJwb3N0X2lkIjo2MTg4NjgsIl8iOiJHR1hRaiIsImlhdCI6MTYyNjM2Nzc4NywiZXhwIjoxNjI2MzcxMzg3LCJpc3MiOiJwdWItMTY2NCIsInN1YiI6InBvc3QtcmVhY3Rpb24ifQ.5-N-0ESr1avOTF_ev7WLo8HZ_koB0FuD8xtai9z-y0c https://popular.info/p/facebook-admits-ben-shapiro-is-breaki...

hoopleh 5y ago
What a trash media outlet. Btw Shapiro isn't really liked in the MAGA movement, he's considered establishment, a grifter, and a neocon. That being said, nothing he says is bigoted or racist, you just disagree with it. Learn to recognize that and we can all talk like adults again. Shouting racism just divides.
throwaway4dang1 5y ago
What a trash media outlet. Btw Shapiro isn't really liked in the MAGA movement, he's considered establishment, a grifter, and a neocon. That being said, nothing he says is bigoted or racist, you just disagree with it. Learn to recognize that and we can all talk like adults again. Shouting racism just divides.