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Don't worry, there was quite a bit of that. He was asked to tone down the document and remove some of the most ridiculous parts (including for example the antis

Don't worry, there was quite a bit of that. He was asked to tone down the document and remove some of the most ridiculous parts (including for example the antisemitic conspiracy bit) and refused.

the_only_law 5y ago
> including for example the antisemitic conspiracy bit I don’t recall hearing about this at the time. Do you have any links to what this was about. I tried to Google, but just got results related to more recent Google removals.
- joshuamorton 5y ago
  "postmodern neo Marxists" in a foot note. It may have been unintentional, but it's essentially the cultural Marxism conspiracy, repackaged by Jordan Peterson. It had nothing to do with anything else in the document but had to stay for some reason. Edit: actually it looks like by the version that's public he did reword it, but I recall it being worse originally. It's still like a completely terrible understanding of intersectionality, but at least it's not as overtly antisemitic.
  - elzbardico 5y ago
    I was a Marxist for a long time. A well read one, and I can tell you that definitely there’s something that we could call “cultural Marxism” .
    - joshuamorton 5y ago
      I agree: Cultural Marxism is a far-right antisemitic conspiracy theory which claims Western Marxism as the basis of continuing academic and intellectual efforts to subvert Western culture. If that's not what you mean, I'd kindly suggest not using that terminology, as that's the common definition of the term. There's no hard definition you'll be able to tease from someone who claims cultural Marxism is a threat to the west.
      - elzbardico 5y ago
        I don’t care about your suggestion and your straw men. Save your pontification and authoritarian tone to Twitter.
        jacquesm 5y ago
        Joshua has been here for many years and you're a complete newbie, how about you save your patronizing tone for situations where you have the standing to do so.
        elzbardico 5y ago
        So, what matters if someone has been here for a long time and I am a newbie? It doesn't matter at all. It is just a rehashed argument of authority, just the same old bubble mutual-congratulatory stuff that this fake enforced politeness of HN so efficiently maintains.
    - the_only_law 5y ago
      As someone faintly familiar with various Marxist ideologies (admittedly, not particularly well read though) how would you define the latter. I assume you are contrasting it with textual Marxism or Marxist theory.
  - ta2168 5y ago
    That has nothing to do with anti-Semitism. You made a bold claim above and have nothing to back it up. Please specifically link an article from a well regarded source that covers Damore's alleged anti-Semitism. If you're unable to produce, what you're doing is actively trying to tie as much negativity to the name in order to gas light people into thinking he's a monster. You're propagandizing and poisoning the well.
    - textgel 5y ago
      It's honestly getting creepy at this point. Throughout this entire comment tree starting from its base you have multiple long term HN users all consciously going out of their way to constructs lies in the pursuit of defaming this man. joshuamorton is supposedly a google employee according to his profile and yet was perfectly happy to throw the antisemitism bs around. There's several accounts down the bottom, each a number of years old and ostensibly regular otherwise; all of which have made efforts to come to this discussion and make up slander. And then of course run when pressed to provide evidence. And they do all this despite the counter evidence being available to all. Honestly, what is happening there? Is it some sort of collective insanity? Is it something they all agree needs to be done for some greater good? And if that's the case do they agree to it subconsciously/consciously? Is it all just people who are incredibly susceptible to group pressure and who will go along with any absurdity so long as it's ordered from the right authority. How do you go about justifying deliberately attempting to hurt a person like this? Just the sight of it astounds me.
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        The comment you replied to is actually flagged dead now.
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ta2168 5y ago
That has nothing to do with anti-Semitism. You made a bold claim above and have nothing to back it up. Please specifically link an article from a well regarded source that covers Damore's alleged anti-Semitism. If you're unable to produce, what you're doing is actively trying to tie as much negativity to the name in order to gas light people into thinking he's a monster. You're propagandizing and poisoning the well.

Don't worry, there was quite a bit of that. He was asked to tone down the document and remove some of the most ridiculous parts (including for example the antisemitic conspiracy bit) and refused.

the_only_law 5y ago

> including for example the antisemitic conspiracy bit I don’t recall hearing about this at the time. Do you have any links to what this was about. I tried to Google, but just got results related to more recent Google removals.

joshuamorton 5y ago
"postmodern neo Marxists" in a foot note. It may have been unintentional, but it's essentially the cultural Marxism conspiracy, repackaged by Jordan Peterson. It had nothing to do with anything else in the document but had to stay for some reason. Edit: actually it looks like by the version that's public he did reword it, but I recall it being worse originally. It's still like a completely terrible understanding of intersectionality, but at least it's not as overtly antisemitic.
- elzbardico 5y ago
  I was a Marxist for a long time. A well read one, and I can tell you that definitely there’s something that we could call “cultural Marxism” .
  - joshuamorton 5y ago
    I agree: Cultural Marxism is a far-right antisemitic conspiracy theory which claims Western Marxism as the basis of continuing academic and intellectual efforts to subvert Western culture. If that's not what you mean, I'd kindly suggest not using that terminology, as that's the common definition of the term. There's no hard definition you'll be able to tease from someone who claims cultural Marxism is a threat to the west.
    - elzbardico 5y ago
      I don’t care about your suggestion and your straw men. Save your pontification and authoritarian tone to Twitter.
      - jacquesm 5y ago
        Joshua has been here for many years and you're a complete newbie, how about you save your patronizing tone for situations where you have the standing to do so.
        elzbardico 5y ago
        So, what matters if someone has been here for a long time and I am a newbie? It doesn't matter at all. It is just a rehashed argument of authority, just the same old bubble mutual-congratulatory stuff that this fake enforced politeness of HN so efficiently maintains.
  - the_only_law 5y ago
    As someone faintly familiar with various Marxist ideologies (admittedly, not particularly well read though) how would you define the latter. I assume you are contrasting it with textual Marxism or Marxist theory.
- ta2168 5y ago
  That has nothing to do with anti-Semitism. You made a bold claim above and have nothing to back it up. Please specifically link an article from a well regarded source that covers Damore's alleged anti-Semitism. If you're unable to produce, what you're doing is actively trying to tie as much negativity to the name in order to gas light people into thinking he's a monster. You're propagandizing and poisoning the well.
  - textgel 5y ago
    It's honestly getting creepy at this point. Throughout this entire comment tree starting from its base you have multiple long term HN users all consciously going out of their way to constructs lies in the pursuit of defaming this man. joshuamorton is supposedly a google employee according to his profile and yet was perfectly happy to throw the antisemitism bs around. There's several accounts down the bottom, each a number of years old and ostensibly regular otherwise; all of which have made efforts to come to this discussion and make up slander. And then of course run when pressed to provide evidence. And they do all this despite the counter evidence being available to all. Honestly, what is happening there? Is it some sort of collective insanity? Is it something they all agree needs to be done for some greater good? And if that's the case do they agree to it subconsciously/consciously? Is it all just people who are incredibly susceptible to group pressure and who will go along with any absurdity so long as it's ordered from the right authority. How do you go about justifying deliberately attempting to hurt a person like this? Just the sight of it astounds me.
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    - commandlinefan 5y ago
      The comment you replied to is actually flagged dead now.
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ta2168 5y ago

That has nothing to do with anti-Semitism. You made a bold claim above and have nothing to back it up. Please specifically link an article from a well regarded source that covers Damore's alleged anti-Semitism. If you're unable to produce, what you're doing is actively trying to tie as much negativity to the name in order to gas light people into thinking he's a monster. You're propagandizing and poisoning the well.