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I am living in Groningen center now for 10 years ( grew up in Haren ), your source is from 2015 and as far as I know, is not an incident as part of a broader pr

I am living in Groningen center now for 10 years ( grew up in Haren ), your source is from 2015 and as far as I know, is not an incident as part of a broader problem of drug pushers to school going children. What should I google to find the 'far more' ? If I google 'drugs school groningen', I come up empty. If I google 'dealer school groningen', I come up with one article from 2017, minor incident, and best of all : that was my school. So were can I find far more?

jacquesm 5y ago
I said I'm sure you will find fault with it. Predictable. Those 'minor incidents' are two a penny. Even at the better schools kids regularly use drugs. If you don't know about it or don't want to know about it then maybe stop extrapolating from your limited experience to the rest of NL. And good luck when/if you have kids in school, watch out from round about the age of 11.
- the-dude 5y ago
  > stop extrapolating from your limited experience That is just a baseless assumption on your part : I lived for extended periods in other cities. I know some parents with children here, the subject has never come up. I don't recognize your characterization of the problem at all. Maybe you should stop projecting your views on a city you apparently know little about?
  - jacquesm 5y ago
    FWIW I have lived in Oudezijl, near Nieuweschans, have a son who lived in Groningen, Middelstum, Ter Apelkanaal and Beerta. What you personally have not experienced has no bearing on my own experiences, even if the localities overlap. Consider that the world is larger than your personal slice of it and that those things that do not happen in your slice in fact do happen. The drug trade in Groningen is alive and well, you can take that to the bank. And if you still don't believe it then maybe have a chat with some LE and see where that takes you.
    - the-dude 5y ago
      You are moving goalposts : drug trade is something else than pushing drugs to children. Of course there is drugs trade, I have never disputed that.
      - jacquesm 5y ago
        Drugs are pushed to children, and there is drug trade. They both happen. And if you think that the first is happening out in the open then you're mistaken, it's pretty subtle, typically schoolmates who have been made part of the trade and who are asked to scout out likely takers. https://nos.nl/artikel/2326997-pillen-laten-rondgaan-in-een-etui-drugs-dealen-op-de-middelbare-school https://nos.nl/artikel/2326997-pillen-laten-rondgaan-in-een-...
- rualca 5y ago
  > I said I'm sure you will find fault with it. Predictable. If the allegations are not supported by evidence then it's natural that anyone finds faults. That, and your ad hominem, says everything about your accusations. > Those 'minor incidents' are two a penny. Even at the better schools kids regularly use drugs. If that is supposed to be any close to the truth then how do you explain the complete lack of evidence or even anecdotal accounts? I mean, can you actually support any of your claims about the alleged torrent of cases that is everywhere but also nowhere to be seen?
  - jacquesm 5y ago
    Yes, I can, see links in this thread. And plenty of them elsewhere, but all in dutch. Google terms "site:.nl drugsgebruik middelbare scholen nederland" "site:.nl drugsgebruik lagere scholen nederland". Enjoy. And if a school in NL claims that they don't have a drug issue: find out if they really don't or if they are simply closing their eyes because it's too uncomfortable to discuss. There is no evidence that schools in nl do not have a drug problem, but there is plenty of evidence that they do. For instance, an article about Arnhem: https://nos.nl/artikel/2322862-steeds-meer-blowende-jongeren-arnhemse-scholen-luiden-noodklok https://nos.nl/artikel/2322862-steeds-meer-blowende-jongeren...
    - the-dude 5y ago
      Loosely translated into English : Trimbos ( a Dutch drug use non-profit ) says : "we don't see a significant rise in drug use among the youth. 9% of youth between 12 and 16 has used cannabis at a particular time". BTW, the whole article is about cannabis. Is this what you are worked up about? The numbers sound about the same for my cohort, and our teachers were well aware, also who we were and it was discussed openly in class. And we felt safe enough to be open about it as well. You seem particular puritan. One needs to remember the Dutch voted for gedoogbeleid ( laissez faire policy ) and it has been in place since the 80s.
    - rualca 5y ago
      > Yes, I can, see links in this thread. No, I really can't. So far you've been unable and unwilling to do so. I see a lot of posts from you with unsubstantiated allegations followed up by desperate ad hominems. And when you are pressed about it, you hand-waive, deflect, and redirect. I repeat: if there were a tenth of the cases you alleged then you would have zero problems presenting a single convincing example. But you even failed at presenting any relevant case at all. Please read the link you just provided. It states the exact opposite of what you're claiming. That was the best example you could come up with after so many ad hominem and after being repeatedly pressed to support your unsubstantiated allegations. Your dozen of scaremongering posts in this discussion boil down to that, the absolute best example you manage to put together. And it contradicts your claims. You should really reflect on what you're doing, because if you have a problem with reality not backing up your firmly held beliefs to the point you get so emotional about that delta then some contemplation is in order.

jacquesm 5y ago

I said I'm sure you will find fault with it. Predictable. Those 'minor incidents' are two a penny. Even at the better schools kids regularly use drugs. If you don't know about it or don't want to know about it then maybe stop extrapolating from your limited experience to the rest of NL. And good luck when/if you have kids in school, watch out from round about the age of 11.

the-dude 5y ago
> stop extrapolating from your limited experience That is just a baseless assumption on your part : I lived for extended periods in other cities. I know some parents with children here, the subject has never come up. I don't recognize your characterization of the problem at all. Maybe you should stop projecting your views on a city you apparently know little about?
- jacquesm 5y ago
  FWIW I have lived in Oudezijl, near Nieuweschans, have a son who lived in Groningen, Middelstum, Ter Apelkanaal and Beerta. What you personally have not experienced has no bearing on my own experiences, even if the localities overlap. Consider that the world is larger than your personal slice of it and that those things that do not happen in your slice in fact do happen. The drug trade in Groningen is alive and well, you can take that to the bank. And if you still don't believe it then maybe have a chat with some LE and see where that takes you.
  - the-dude 5y ago
    You are moving goalposts : drug trade is something else than pushing drugs to children. Of course there is drugs trade, I have never disputed that.
    - jacquesm 5y ago
      Drugs are pushed to children, and there is drug trade. They both happen. And if you think that the first is happening out in the open then you're mistaken, it's pretty subtle, typically schoolmates who have been made part of the trade and who are asked to scout out likely takers. https://nos.nl/artikel/2326997-pillen-laten-rondgaan-in-een-etui-drugs-dealen-op-de-middelbare-school https://nos.nl/artikel/2326997-pillen-laten-rondgaan-in-een-...
rualca 5y ago
> I said I'm sure you will find fault with it. Predictable. If the allegations are not supported by evidence then it's natural that anyone finds faults. That, and your ad hominem, says everything about your accusations. > Those 'minor incidents' are two a penny. Even at the better schools kids regularly use drugs. If that is supposed to be any close to the truth then how do you explain the complete lack of evidence or even anecdotal accounts? I mean, can you actually support any of your claims about the alleged torrent of cases that is everywhere but also nowhere to be seen?
- jacquesm 5y ago
  Yes, I can, see links in this thread. And plenty of them elsewhere, but all in dutch. Google terms "site:.nl drugsgebruik middelbare scholen nederland" "site:.nl drugsgebruik lagere scholen nederland". Enjoy. And if a school in NL claims that they don't have a drug issue: find out if they really don't or if they are simply closing their eyes because it's too uncomfortable to discuss. There is no evidence that schools in nl do not have a drug problem, but there is plenty of evidence that they do. For instance, an article about Arnhem: https://nos.nl/artikel/2322862-steeds-meer-blowende-jongeren-arnhemse-scholen-luiden-noodklok https://nos.nl/artikel/2322862-steeds-meer-blowende-jongeren...
  - the-dude 5y ago
    Loosely translated into English : Trimbos ( a Dutch drug use non-profit ) says : "we don't see a significant rise in drug use among the youth. 9% of youth between 12 and 16 has used cannabis at a particular time". BTW, the whole article is about cannabis. Is this what you are worked up about? The numbers sound about the same for my cohort, and our teachers were well aware, also who we were and it was discussed openly in class. And we felt safe enough to be open about it as well. You seem particular puritan. One needs to remember the Dutch voted for gedoogbeleid ( laissez faire policy ) and it has been in place since the 80s.
  - rualca 5y ago
    > Yes, I can, see links in this thread. No, I really can't. So far you've been unable and unwilling to do so. I see a lot of posts from you with unsubstantiated allegations followed up by desperate ad hominems. And when you are pressed about it, you hand-waive, deflect, and redirect. I repeat: if there were a tenth of the cases you alleged then you would have zero problems presenting a single convincing example. But you even failed at presenting any relevant case at all. Please read the link you just provided. It states the exact opposite of what you're claiming. That was the best example you could come up with after so many ad hominem and after being repeatedly pressed to support your unsubstantiated allegations. Your dozen of scaremongering posts in this discussion boil down to that, the absolute best example you manage to put together. And it contradicts your claims. You should really reflect on what you're doing, because if you have a problem with reality not backing up your firmly held beliefs to the point you get so emotional about that delta then some contemplation is in order.