I've met people who agree, and people who disagree, but I've never seen anyone change their minds. I've had the same experience. There are people who will not

I've met people who agree, and people who disagree, but I've never seen anyone change their minds. I've had the same experience. There are people who will not give up (or even reduce) meat no matter what - they are fully aware of the effects of the meat industry on the environment. It is pointless to even engage them in a conversation. Instead, it is better to spend the time and energy on people who are not aware of the effects, but I'd guess these are smaller numbers compared to the I know but I don't care group. Nothing else holds a candle to the beauty, the wonder, the awe that the living world engenders. Much of the urban population hasn't seen this beauty, except on TV. I guess it is hard for them to have that personal connection to nature, when all the animals they know (except perhaps the ones they keep as pets and some urban dwelling birds) they have only seen on TV.