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I personally wish the wording was slightly different. Something like Deny Tracking Allow Tracking instead of the "Ask app not to track" I have to read the pr

I personally wish the wording was slightly different. Something like Deny Tracking Allow Tracking instead of the "Ask app not to track" I have to read the prompt a few times to make sure i pick the right one

okwubodu 5y ago
The strange wording may be intentionally used to stop users from skimming the way they would for more “necessary” permission prompts like camera, notifications, etc. I know it pauses me for a second longer than the others.
downrightmike 5y ago
Dark pattern on purpose
- drstewart 5y ago
  Please explain the purpose of this dark pattern? Keep in mind that my follow up question to you will be: "why even show the popup at all then?"
  - downrightmike 5y ago
    It is dark because it is not clearly written in the standard language that iOS and apps have been using for 15 years. It is deliberately designed to make it unclear as to the purpose of the choice, which is then not a real choice.
marc__1 5y ago
there are some reasons behind that, including liability on Apple's side https://9to5mac.com/2021/04/27/what-does-ask-app-not-to-track-mean/ https://9to5mac.com/2021/04/27/what-does-ask-app-not-to-trac... https://www.reddit.com/r/ios/comments/ma7gwx/why_does_it_say_ask_app_not_to_track_are_we/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ios/comments/ma7gwx/why_does_it_say...
csilverman 5y ago
I agree. My guess is that Apple suspects it can't be 100% effective at preventing apps from tracking, so they're trying to set expectations accordingly in case someone figures out how to track users anyway. But yeah, my preference would be just something like "Do not track".
- tikkabhuna 5y ago
  Perhaps because you login to Facebook on the Facebook app, they obviously know who you are on your phone. They won't have access to the advertising identifier, but they can still track everything within the app, if they want.
- user-the-name 5y ago
  The prompt does two things: 1) It denies the app access to the IDFA identifier that is used for tracking. This is 100% reliable, apps just will not get this if you click "Ask app not to track". 2) It signals to the app that it is not to track you using any other method either. There is no technical way to enforce this, so it is up to the app developer to honour this themselves. Apple will do some checks to make sure you follow this, but there is obviously no way they can detect this reliably. All they have is the threat of kicking you out of the app store if you get caught.

okwubodu 5y ago

The strange wording may be intentionally used to stop users from skimming the way they would for more “necessary” permission prompts like camera, notifications, etc. I know it pauses me for a second longer than the others.

downrightmike 5y ago

Dark pattern on purpose

drstewart 5y ago
Please explain the purpose of this dark pattern? Keep in mind that my follow up question to you will be: "why even show the popup at all then?"
- downrightmike 5y ago
  It is dark because it is not clearly written in the standard language that iOS and apps have been using for 15 years. It is deliberately designed to make it unclear as to the purpose of the choice, which is then not a real choice.

marc__1 5y ago

there are some reasons behind that, including liability on Apple's side https://9to5mac.com/2021/04/27/what-does-ask-app-not-to-track-mean/ https://9to5mac.com/2021/04/27/what-does-ask-app-not-to-trac... https://www.reddit.com/r/ios/comments/ma7gwx/why_does_it_say_ask_app_not_to_track_are_we/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ios/comments/ma7gwx/why_does_it_say...

csilverman 5y ago

I agree. My guess is that Apple suspects it can't be 100% effective at preventing apps from tracking, so they're trying to set expectations accordingly in case someone figures out how to track users anyway. But yeah, my preference would be just something like "Do not track".

tikkabhuna 5y ago
Perhaps because you login to Facebook on the Facebook app, they obviously know who you are on your phone. They won't have access to the advertising identifier, but they can still track everything within the app, if they want.
user-the-name 5y ago
The prompt does two things: 1) It denies the app access to the IDFA identifier that is used for tracking. This is 100% reliable, apps just will not get this if you click "Ask app not to track". 2) It signals to the app that it is not to track you using any other method either. There is no technical way to enforce this, so it is up to the app developer to honour this themselves. Apple will do some checks to make sure you follow this, but there is obviously no way they can detect this reliably. All they have is the threat of kicking you out of the app store if you get caught.