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I am not a lawyer and don't know how wide "3rd parties" can refer to. Is my cloud provider a 3rd party? If there is a lawyer here who can advise that it is safe

I am not a lawyer and don't know how wide "3rd parties" can refer to. Is my cloud provider a 3rd party? If there is a lawyer here who can advise that it is safe to do I will remove it

dsr_ 5y ago
Don't take legal advice from Internet lawyers; don't take business advice from your competitors. Hire somebody knowledgeable to review your privacy policy and terms of service.
- dyeje 5y ago
  Have you ever hired a lawyer to review a privacy policy / ToS? It costs thousands of dollars.
  - edoceo 5y ago
    So? Lots of things cost money. It almost sounds like you're advocating for a cheap short-cut. It's bad in code, it's bad in legal dealings
    - dyeje 5y ago
      Yes, I am 100% advocating for a cheap shortcut when it makes sense. The vast majority of projects will not find success and do not warrant thousands of dollars of investment when a boilerplate ToS / PP will do. OP did the due diligence of at least reading through and trying to understand theirs. I do not think it is appropriate to grill them about it, hence my comment.
  - dsr_ 5y ago
    Do a cost/benefit analysis. Choices: 1. Write good docs and get them reviewed. 2. Write good docs (as far as you know) and skip review. 3. Copy docs off the net from someone else, get them reviewed. 4. Copy docs off the net, no review. 5. Write "Coming Soon!" for each doc and don't do anything about it until you have customers to justify it; then pick another option from 1-4.
dboreham 5y ago
Probably shouldn't be running a public service with a privacy policy and no lawyer.
- LadyCailin 5y ago
  What horribly impractical advice. I mean, in theory, sure, but retaining a lawyer because you run a small public service? Nah.
  - deelowe 5y ago
    I think the point being made is that the company shouldn't be making up legally binding agreements (the privacy policy) without consultation.
    - OJFord 5y ago
      And if too small/cheap to have consulted a solicitor, are you really saying none is better than 'made up'? Worst case is what, you miss something you should've included and it bites you? Something you thought covered you turned out not to be binding (because it's otherwise illegal or too narrowly defined or whatever)? Seems to me many small side projects or whatever would do well (and zero harm) to 'make up' user agreements sooner.
      - deelowe 5y ago
        If you are asking for my opinion, I'd suggest not going anywhere near PII without legal consultation.
    - collaborative 5y ago
      Here in the UK you can create and run a company with no lawyers and no accountants. I am originally from Spain where doing anything requires lawyers, notaries, and loads of cash. That results in a petrified business class. I was lucky to have business oriented parents that taught me concepts related to taxation, employment law etc. But I appreciate the LibDem's move years ago to cut paperwork and am happy for it

I am not a lawyer and don't know how wide "3rd parties" can refer to. Is my cloud provider a 3rd party? If there is a lawyer here who can advise that it is safe to do I will remove it

dsr_ 5y ago

Don't take legal advice from Internet lawyers; don't take business advice from your competitors. Hire somebody knowledgeable to review your privacy policy and terms of service.

dyeje 5y ago
Have you ever hired a lawyer to review a privacy policy / ToS? It costs thousands of dollars.
- edoceo 5y ago
  So? Lots of things cost money. It almost sounds like you're advocating for a cheap short-cut. It's bad in code, it's bad in legal dealings
  - dyeje 5y ago
    Yes, I am 100% advocating for a cheap shortcut when it makes sense. The vast majority of projects will not find success and do not warrant thousands of dollars of investment when a boilerplate ToS / PP will do. OP did the due diligence of at least reading through and trying to understand theirs. I do not think it is appropriate to grill them about it, hence my comment.
- dsr_ 5y ago
  Do a cost/benefit analysis. Choices: 1. Write good docs and get them reviewed. 2. Write good docs (as far as you know) and skip review. 3. Copy docs off the net from someone else, get them reviewed. 4. Copy docs off the net, no review. 5. Write "Coming Soon!" for each doc and don't do anything about it until you have customers to justify it; then pick another option from 1-4.

dboreham 5y ago

Probably shouldn't be running a public service with a privacy policy and no lawyer.

LadyCailin 5y ago
What horribly impractical advice. I mean, in theory, sure, but retaining a lawyer because you run a small public service? Nah.
- deelowe 5y ago
  I think the point being made is that the company shouldn't be making up legally binding agreements (the privacy policy) without consultation.
  - OJFord 5y ago
    And if too small/cheap to have consulted a solicitor, are you really saying none is better than 'made up'? Worst case is what, you miss something you should've included and it bites you? Something you thought covered you turned out not to be binding (because it's otherwise illegal or too narrowly defined or whatever)? Seems to me many small side projects or whatever would do well (and zero harm) to 'make up' user agreements sooner.
    - deelowe 5y ago
      If you are asking for my opinion, I'd suggest not going anywhere near PII without legal consultation.
  - collaborative 5y ago
    Here in the UK you can create and run a company with no lawyers and no accountants. I am originally from Spain where doing anything requires lawyers, notaries, and loads of cash. That results in a petrified business class. I was lucky to have business oriented parents that taught me concepts related to taxation, employment law etc. But I appreciate the LibDem's move years ago to cut paperwork and am happy for it